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never read a DC comic but from what i know, there was a massive crossover called crisis of infinite earths where the entire DC universe was retconned, and every character had their story and/or powers changed
superman powers were drastically reduced
to give you a roleplay game analogy:
before crisis all the characters had their stats vary between 1 and 100....superman was like "fuck that, i have 100000000000000 in everything"
now they just made him the most powerful character around, but some other characters can top him in one characteristic
so, now, superman has:
99 in everything
other characters have 100 in one characteristic, and the rest is <60
at least this is how i have understood it
superman powers were drastically reduced
to give you a roleplay game analogy:
before crisis all the characters had their stats vary between 1 and 100....superman was like "fuck that, i have 100000000000000 in everything"
now they just made him the most powerful character around, but some other characters can top him in one characteristic
so, now, superman has:
99 in everything
other characters have 100 in one characteristic, and the rest is <60
at least this is how i have understood it
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I'm not an expert on it either, but post-Crisis also retconned gay shit like Superman now being surrounded by a telekinetic force-field that gave him most of his powers (invulnerability, flight, strength, etc.), and MOST IMPORTANTLY explained why his costume wasn't completely obliterated every time he fought someone. But his cape could still get tattered because it was outside the field!
In other words, something no one gave a fuck about, because it is a comic book. Coupled with his massive de-powering, and you see why some old people like me refuse to believe all that retcon bullshit.
EDIT: I do want to add that no movies I can remember ever inspired me with such hopes for true awesomeness as Superman movies have. Watching this trailer, and even the one for Returns, with the haunting music and the majestic soaring...I always hope that FINALLY this might be the one that gets it right. I mean, I enjoyed the first two with Reeves, and even liked Returns, but they just aren't the truly epic movie I've been waiting for. No other movie truly gives me chills like Superman can, and I'm not even a big fan of the comics (even pre-Crisis). I can't explain it. But it also means I'm most likely to be let down by a Superman movie too. Maybe once before I die they'll get it right.
In other words, something no one gave a fuck about, because it is a comic book. Coupled with his massive de-powering, and you see why some old people like me refuse to believe all that retcon bullshit.
EDIT: I do want to add that no movies I can remember ever inspired me with such hopes for true awesomeness as Superman movies have. Watching this trailer, and even the one for Returns, with the haunting music and the majestic soaring...I always hope that FINALLY this might be the one that gets it right. I mean, I enjoyed the first two with Reeves, and even liked Returns, but they just aren't the truly epic movie I've been waiting for. No other movie truly gives me chills like Superman can, and I'm not even a big fan of the comics (even pre-Crisis). I can't explain it. But it also means I'm most likely to be let down by a Superman movie too. Maybe once before I die they'll get it right.
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yeah. Both companies have many crossover events from time to time. Or every 3 months nowadays, since thats how they stay in business...
DC's has had a number of mega events. And loves two things. the number 52, and the word Crisis.
Originally from the 60's to mid 80's there were Annual Crisis's. Annual Events that would crossover, Earth 1 and earth 2. Justice League of America, and Justice Society of America.
1985 was Crisis on Infinite Earths and rebooted/restructured the DC multiverse. Basically establishing a set canon.
Shit goes down. Supergirl dies. Earth 2 is destroyed. Powergirl is the only survivor. Lex Luthor is rebooted as an evil business tycoon, no longer a mad scientist.
Not to be confused with infinite crisis, identity crisis or Final crisis.
Infinite crisis is where Superboy-Prime punched reality. haha. also known as one of the dumbest things ever written.
Shit of course.
Identity crisis is when Batman gets mindwiped. also shit.
Final crisis, is the latest and should be last crisis. Batman dies. Darkseid wins. Superman wishes for a happy ending.
52 is amazing. Things DC should be doing.
52. holy shit, that would be amazing. Though probably as a miniseries...
DC's has had a number of mega events. And loves two things. the number 52, and the word Crisis.
Originally from the 60's to mid 80's there were Annual Crisis's. Annual Events that would crossover, Earth 1 and earth 2. Justice League of America, and Justice Society of America.
1985 was Crisis on Infinite Earths and rebooted/restructured the DC multiverse. Basically establishing a set canon.
Shit goes down. Supergirl dies. Earth 2 is destroyed. Powergirl is the only survivor. Lex Luthor is rebooted as an evil business tycoon, no longer a mad scientist.
Not to be confused with infinite crisis, identity crisis or Final crisis.
Infinite crisis is where Superboy-Prime punched reality. haha. also known as one of the dumbest things ever written.
Shit of course.
Identity crisis is when Batman gets mindwiped. also shit.
Final crisis, is the latest and should be last crisis. Batman dies. Darkseid wins. Superman wishes for a happy ending.
52 is amazing. Things DC should be doing.
52. holy shit, that would be amazing. Though probably as a miniseries...
Yeah I cringed reading this sentence lol. I love my comics cheesy, but god damn there is a limit.
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Pre-crisis Superman could move planets with ease, fly through time, couldn't be hurt (even Kryptonite and magic didn't do much), could fly millions of miles in seconds, and had hundreds of powers, including Super Telepathy (watch out Professor X) and Super Basket Weaving. As the writers said back then, the only Super power he didn't have was if they forgot to give it to him.
Post Crisis, he couldn't lift 100 tons and could only fly in outer space as long as he could hold his breath. DC figured out that no one wanted to read about a character that couldn't die or even be hurt. Growing up, as a kid, I never sat there wondering if Superman was going to die. Anyway, readers actually started buying his books again. But over the years, they've moved him up slowly to the point that once again, in DC 52, he can move planets with ease. Lame.
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Thought this was interesting. Reading up on some of John Byrne's crazy.
But he is also the author that really kindof defined him, back in the 80's. Again, largely the one behind the post-crisis reboot. Tycoon Luthor we all know for example.
On Superman
But he is also the author that really kindof defined him, back in the 80's. Again, largely the one behind the post-crisis reboot. Tycoon Luthor we all know for example.
On Superman
Some dude apparently went to a private screening and postedsome thoughts on IMDB. Who knows how true it is, interesting nonetheless.
I copy pasted bullet points fromCosmic Book News:
I copy pasted bullet points fromCosmic Book News:
? Superman submits to the Military to prove his trustworthiness
? Zod is not like a Heath Ledger Joker, but but more like a military leader with no one to guide. This allows for a type of tragic figure, whose ideals drive him into madness and an eventual threat against Metropolis.
? Zod recruits Superman to help him govern the human race; however, when Kal-El refuses, Zod leaves in his spaceship, seemingly for good, with Superman going to the Fortress of solitude to "equip" himself in case of Zod's return. Superman then sees the attack by Zod's robot army and flies out.
? The robot army is described as looking humanoid, but one is said to resemble more a spider (My own note: Braniac?)
? Superman battles the robots and uses heat vision to melt a couple, but the rest are equipped with reflectors. He takes one out and grabs the reflector to use against the robot and their plasma attacks, eventually destroying them. Superman is said to save some people and then uses the robots parts to create Kryptonian robots of his own in the Fortress of Solitude.
? He then sees two spaceships entering the Metropolis skyline and flies into one first encountering Faora.
? Faora is described as not having too many lines but when she speaks "it's like a child without a childhood, if that makes any sense." Faora is "cunning, brutal, and tricky."
? The final scene is Clark and Lois leaving off into the sunset, while the LexCorp building looms in the distance, complete with a shadowed male figure in the window.
? Superman has an advanced monitoring system inside the Fortress of Solitude, which is really Lara's spaceship, with Superman's original an escape pod of that ship.
? Lara's ship exploded over the North Pole with the remains becoming the Fortress of Solitude.
? Clark hears about the rumors of a "mysterious ship" in the arctic and travels there. He later "moves" the fortress (which is the size of a small building), somewhere more remote within a cave in the mountains.
? Zod is not like a Heath Ledger Joker, but but more like a military leader with no one to guide. This allows for a type of tragic figure, whose ideals drive him into madness and an eventual threat against Metropolis.
? Zod recruits Superman to help him govern the human race; however, when Kal-El refuses, Zod leaves in his spaceship, seemingly for good, with Superman going to the Fortress of solitude to "equip" himself in case of Zod's return. Superman then sees the attack by Zod's robot army and flies out.
? The robot army is described as looking humanoid, but one is said to resemble more a spider (My own note: Braniac?)
? Superman battles the robots and uses heat vision to melt a couple, but the rest are equipped with reflectors. He takes one out and grabs the reflector to use against the robot and their plasma attacks, eventually destroying them. Superman is said to save some people and then uses the robots parts to create Kryptonian robots of his own in the Fortress of Solitude.
? He then sees two spaceships entering the Metropolis skyline and flies into one first encountering Faora.
? Faora is described as not having too many lines but when she speaks "it's like a child without a childhood, if that makes any sense." Faora is "cunning, brutal, and tricky."
? The final scene is Clark and Lois leaving off into the sunset, while the LexCorp building looms in the distance, complete with a shadowed male figure in the window.
? Superman has an advanced monitoring system inside the Fortress of Solitude, which is really Lara's spaceship, with Superman's original an escape pod of that ship.
? Lara's ship exploded over the North Pole with the remains becoming the Fortress of Solitude.
? Clark hears about the rumors of a "mysterious ship" in the arctic and travels there. He later "moves" the fortress (which is the size of a small building), somewhere more remote within a cave in the mountains.
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Rofl i thought the same thing too, Wild wild west mother fucker! the spider is the most deadly animal in the animal kingdom!
holy shit john peters was a executive producer on man of steel
You compare that shot to Brandon Routh and I feel embarrassed for Routh lol. Superman is suppose to be built.
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