Marvel Universe stuff

Sanrith Descartes · Sep 3, 2019

Chukzombi said:
comics? heh no i last read a comic book in the early 90s. everyone was still who they were supposed to be.

My point is Marvel movies are based on comics and the characters in the comics generally experienced major changes because over time as they become stagnant.

I get that some folks have issues with change. The Dr. Who folks probably experience more than anyone. It doesnt really bother me. If Ildris got tagged for James Bond, I'll go see it. If a buffed up Emily Blunt got tagged for James Bond, I would see it in the hope she played it like Theron in Atomic Blonde. If they cast an all female cast for a remake of Platoon, I'll give it a hard pass.

I get other people's mileage may vary. The difference is I wont let it bug me. There is just way too much other important shit for me to spend energy on. Like for instance figuring out how Hillary was able to stealth into Epstein's tunnel temple unseen and do Huma from behind with an ivory strap-on while wearing a mask made of a 7-year olds skin. Now that is worth spending energy trying to figure out.

Chukzombi · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
My point is Marvel movies are based on comics and the characters in the comics generally experienced major changes because over time as they become stagnant.

I get that some folks have issues with change. The Dr. Who folks probably experience more than anyone. It doesnt really bother me. If Ildris got tagged for James Bond, I'll go see it. If a buffed up Emily Blunt got tagged for James Bond, I would see it in the hope she played it like Theron in Atomic Blonde. If they cast an all female cast for a remake of Platoon, I'll give it a hard pass.

I get other people's mileage may vary. The difference is I wont let it bug me. There is just way too much other important shit for me to spend energy on. Like for instance figuring out how Hillary was able to stealth into Epstein's tunnel temple unseen and do Huma from behind with an ivory strap-on while wearing a mask made of a 7-year olds skin. Now that is worth spending energy trying to figure out.

sure, not everyone asks for seconds when handed a shit sandwich like you do though. some of us respect the canon.

Sanrith Descartes · Sep 3, 2019

Chukzombi said:
sure, not everyone asks for seconds when handed a shit sandwich like you do though. some of us respect the canon.

You know, it was cannon for a long time that only white people could appear in films. So in terms of canon you should be objecting to every non-white being cast at all. Its outrageous that they are casting Wakandans to play... Wakandans. It should be white folks wearing blackface.

pharmakos · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
You know, it was cannon for a long time that only white people could appear in films. So in terms of canon you should be objecting to every non-white being cast at all. Its outrageous that they are casting Wakandans to play... Wakandans. It should be white folks wearing blackface.

you're not even trying to make logical arguments at this point, this is just pure absurdism lol. take a break for the day man.

Gravel · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
You know, it was cannon for a long time that only white people could appear in films. So in terms of canon you should be objecting to every non-white being cast at all. Its outrageous that they are casting Wakandans to play... Wakandans. It should be white folks wearing blackface.

You're right. Actors shouldn't act, they should only portray themselves. You fit right in with these people.

Scarlett Johansson Withdraws From Transgender Role After Backlash (Published 2018)

The actress dropped out of her role as Dante Gill, a.k.a. Tex, in “Rub & Tug,” citing ethical questions surrounding her casting.

www.nytimes.com

TheBeagle · Sep 3, 2019

Imagine being a grown man and still caring what's coming up in Marvel Movie #238. Yikes.

Sanrith Descartes · Sep 3, 2019

pharmakos said:
you're not even trying to make logical arguments at this point, this is just pure absurdism lol. take a break for the day man.

You finally figured it out? Now you know how it feels trying to have a discussion with people who consider it a crime against humanity that people of color are being cast in roles as characters who were white "in the comics". Or that alphabet people are being shown on film as couples.

pharmakos · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
You finally figured it out? Now you know how it feels trying to have a discussion with people who consider it a crime against humanity that people of color are being cast in roles as characters who were white "in the comics". Or that alphabet people are being shown on film as couples.

oh THAT'S what you were doing all along? it was just some artsy performance piece with forum shitposts as the medium?

Sanrith Descartes · Sep 3, 2019

Gravel said:
You're right. Actors shouldn't act, they should only portray themselves. You fit right in with these people.

Scarlett Johansson Withdraws From Transgender Role After Backlash (Published 2018)

The actress dropped out of her role as Dante Gill, a.k.a. Tex, in “Rub & Tug,” citing ethical questions surrounding her casting.

www.nytimes.com

I'll just assume you wandered into this thread midway and didnt bother noting the context of my post or how it was making fun of someone else's post. All good though. Thanks for playing.

Sanrith Descartes · Sep 3, 2019

pharmakos said:
oh THAT'S what you were doing all along? it was just some artsy performance piece with forum shitposts as the medium?

Well think about it. Dont artsy performance posts belong in a thread about movies and actors?

pharmakos · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
Well think about it. Dont artsy performance posts belong in a thread about movies and actors?

i've given up on trying to have an opinion on what should go in this thread, it's always more fucking arguing like you're doing than actual Marvel talk.

pharmakos · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
I'm not going to drag this into a deep politics/capitalism derail as we have threads for that.

two and a half pages ago lol

Lanx · Sep 3, 2019

Sanrith Descartes said:
You finally figured it out? Now you know how it feels trying to have a discussion with people who consider it a crime against humanity that people of color are being cast in roles as characters who were white "in the comics". Or that alphabet people are being shown on film as couples.

what are you talking about?

Black face was a necessity back then and it's still a necessity now.

back then when film was starting, blacks didn't know how to act,

so you dab on some tar and you have a movie and everyone gets entertained and payed

it continues now, China is having a working relationship w/ Africa, a LOT of Africans are actually illegal aliens via, VISA overstays in Guangdong, but these are just African works w/ no artists among them, so China has to make their own blacks.

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i mean look at that, a real black is singing along with a blackface comedian, it's not like you can suddenly teach a black Mandarin AND comedy.

Japs of course, take it to the extreme

So yes, to your question, Blackface makes sense, unless you can conjure up a Chinese American Inventor

Angerz · Sep 4, 2019

Chukzombi said:
comics? heh no i last read a comic book in the early 90s. everyone was still who they were supposed to be.

See, this kind of statement leads me to an honest question for you (and probably others around here). If you haven't consumed the medium for 20+ years, and at least a decade and a half before "SJWs infested marvel comics", why do you care what they do with them? Marvel comics is the smallest earner of their entire organization, toys and movies are where its at. They cancelled X-men and Fantastic Four books because they couldn't use anything created in them in movies. I haven't bought a comic in probably 5 years, mostly because marvel comics are expensive as fuck, but since I don't consume them, I really don't concern myself with anything happening in them.

Turning everything gay and female and black and whatever didn't stop your average nerd (white, male) from seeing the 23 marvel movies that came out (even black panther and captain marvel are 1 and 4 in gross for non-avengers movies), so their plan is probably fine for them. If 100% of white males stopped buying comics, but they introduce a fraction of a generation of everyone who is not to comic characters, who now go see every movie and buy toys, they're still going to come out way ahead. They don't need the comic division to make money, they just need it to get occasional new eyes and make things for people to talk about and keep Marvel's name in the headlines, even if its hour long breakdowns of a 20 page girls comic by a 40 year old man.

Maybe this won't pan out going forward, but so far, Marvel is doing anything but "get woke, go broke". I'm not super excited for most of the slate coming up, but most people weren't excited for guardians and that turned out great and I've stated before I hope Marvel goes super chinese market for Shang-Chi and we get a dope Wuxia movie out of it in the MCU, but only time is gonna tell. Its not like they are DC movies, after all.

On a related note, after all of this, anyone read House of X? I said I don't read comics and didn't plan on changing that, but House of X sounded neat and now that Disney owns everything, maybe we can have cool Xmen books again.

Malakriss · Sep 4, 2019

Comics were on a downward trend but then their radical plan to turn things around had everyone abandon ship. You don't just hit undo and people come back in that scenario, the customers are gone for good. And honestly, they haven't hit undo and it has spread across the content industry as a whole with no one learning the lesson.

The irony being that light novels, manga, and other foreign imports are now a growth industry.

Chukzombi · Sep 4, 2019

Angerz said:
See, this kind of statement leads me to an honest question for you (and probably others around here). If you haven't consumed the medium for 20+ years, and at least a decade and a half before "SJWs infested marvel comics", why do you care what they do with them? Marvel comics is the smallest earner of their entire organization, toys and movies are where its at. They cancelled X-men and Fantastic Four books because they couldn't use anything created in them in movies. I haven't bought a comic in probably 5 years, mostly because marvel comics are expensive as fuck, but since I don't consume them, I really don't concern myself with anything happening in them.

Turning everything gay and female and black and whatever didn't stop your average nerd (white, male) from seeing the 23 marvel movies that came out (even black panther and captain marvel are 1 and 4 in gross for non-avengers movies), so their plan is probably fine for them. If 100% of white males stopped buying comics, but they introduce a fraction of a generation of everyone who is not to comic characters, who now go see every movie and buy toys, they're still going to come out way ahead. They don't need the comic division to make money, they just need it to get occasional new eyes and make things for people to talk about and keep Marvel's name in the headlines, even if its hour long breakdowns of a 20 page girls comic by a 40 year old man.

Maybe this won't pan out going forward, but so far, Marvel is doing anything but "get woke, go broke". I'm not super excited for most of the slate coming up, but most people weren't excited for guardians and that turned out great and I've stated before I hope Marvel goes super chinese market for Shang-Chi and we get a dope Wuxia movie out of it in the MCU, but only time is gonna tell. Its not like they are DC movies, after all.

On a related note, after all of this, anyone read House of X? I said I don't read comics and didn't plan on changing that, but House of X sounded neat and now that Disney owns everything, maybe we can have cool Xmen books again.

so wait, because i read comics in the 70s to the 90s and it was all silver age comics, i no longer have a say when they make MOVIES based on some horrible bankrupt era of comics wokeness we are in now? if that were the case, they would have had squirrelgirl and captain cheesethief front and center from the very beginning.

Khane · Sep 4, 2019

You made a comment about canon even though you also said you haven't read a comic book since the 90s.

Angerz · Sep 4, 2019

Yeah that was basically it. There was a larger argument going on about Marvel comics and maybe I misunderstoood your post when I grabbed it, but my larger point was just, there are people here expending a lot of energy complaining about things they don't read anyway and many probably didn't stop reading just because girls and black people showed up in them.

And hell, the best spiderman movie ever in my opinion is about the black spiderman with the girl spiderman. So not everything they change in the books leads to a bad movie.

just because the comics make tripe, doesn't mean its gonna be served that way on the screen.

Gavinmad · Sep 4, 2019

Angerz said:
And hell, the best spiderman movie ever in my opinion is about the black spiderman with the girl spiderman. So not everything they change in the books leads to a bad movie.

And it came as a total surprise because the comic version of Miles Morales is complete garbage just like the rest of the woke trash that has the comics division circling the drain again. And the numbers are quite clear that Marvel lost tons of readers when their comics turned into a diversity checklist, but if you actually ask people who stopped reading they'll tell you it's because the incompetent SJW hacks they handed their titles over to can't write for shit.

Chukzombi · Sep 4, 2019

Khane said:
You made a comment about canon even though you also said you haven't read a comic book since the 90s.

and? what does any of that have to do with inserting modern shitpiss into characters which never started out that way?

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