Military Thread

eXarc · Oct 13, 2013

I would kill to work in the Air Force in avionics or anything similar/revolving around aircraft. I've been studying medicine my entire life (almost literally, my parents own a medical company so from the time I was old enough to read and conversate with my parents they began teaching me about medicine, the industry and everything that goes along with it) and I've always felt going into the Navy as a HCorpsman was the best choice.

I haven't decided wether or not yet to serve, but it's a serious struggle for me to decide on the branch, the only two options being Air Force or Navy. I flew through the NG/Army exams and tests and wasn't interested in any MOS they offered at the time (I scored a 98 on the ASVAB so I qualified for all positions but the majority of higher intellectually processing MOS positions were full, such as all the Sierra and Quebec ones, etc.) and I didn't feel like going 68W (reclassified now I believe? Combat Medic.) since I would rather be in another branch doing other things for medicine.

I also considered Tac-P or SERE specialists in the Air Force and still am, however I don't have much more time to make a decision. As I was about to pull the trigger within the past year and do it I found out I needed major brain surgery, so now I have no idea if I can even join and do anything I want after. I have to wait and see, and by then, I'm not sure it will be worth it. I've trained with many, many people over the past 5 years of my life outside to prepare myself for any military career I could possibly want granted I qualified for all them physically/mentally and clearance wise. I still train to this day and it won't ever go to waste as I probably will end up in some private intelligence/security work down the road if I end up not actually enlisting but it'd still be a shame to not be able to serve like the majority of my family and to honor myself by serving others. We'll see.

Thanks to all who serve and have served. All aces in my book.

Tetrian · Oct 13, 2013

eXarc_sl said:
I would kill to work in the Air Force in avionics or anything similar/revolving around aircraft. I've been studying medicine my entire life (almost literally, my parents own a medical company so from the time I was old enough to read and conversate with my parents they began teaching me about medicine, the industry and everything that goes along with it) and I've always felt going into the Navy as a HCorpsman was the best choice.

I haven't decided wether or not yet to serve, but it's a serious struggle for me to decide on the branch, the only two options being Air Force or Navy. I flew through the NG/Army exams and tests and wasn't interested in any MOS they offered at the time (I scored a 98 on the ASVAB so I qualified for all positions but the majority of higher intellectually processing MOS positions were full, such as all the Sierra and Quebec ones, etc.) and I didn't feel like going 68W (reclassified now I believe? Combat Medic.) since I would rather be in another branch doing other things for medicine.

I also considered Tac-P or SERE specialists in the Air Force and still am, however I don't have much more time to make a decision. As I was about to pull the trigger within the past year and do it I found out I needed major brain surgery, so now I have no idea if I can even join and do anything I want after. I have to wait and see, and by then, I'm not sure it will be worth it. I've trained with many, many people over the past 5 years of my life outside to prepare myself for any military career I could possibly want granted I qualified for all them physically/mentally and clearance wise. I still train to this day and it won't ever go to waste as I probably will end up in some private intelligence/security work down the road if I end up not actually enlisting but it'd still be a shame to not be able to serve like the majority of my family and to honor myself by serving others. We'll see.

Thanks to all who serve and have served. All aces in my book.

Im sorry to hear about the brain surgery thing. I hope you pull through and it doesnt leave you completely crippled when it comes to a military career.

TACP is awesome and a very interesting field(but very demanding, due to the nature of the job and the traveling.). But honestly you should probably look into the PJ area with your skillset. (Inside Combat Rescue Ep.1 Visions of War 1080p - YouTube(series, check it out) and heres the course for it :PARARESCUE: Rescue Warriors Pt.1 of 6: Crawl, Walk, Run - YouTube) but of course, both those fields probably stop you medically due to the surgery :/

eXarc · Oct 13, 2013

Tetrian_sl said:
Im sorry to hear about the brain surgery thing. I hope you pull through and it doesnt leave you completely crippled when it comes to a military career.

TACP is awesome and a very interesting field(but very demanding, due to the nature of the job and the traveling.). But honestly you should probably look into the PJ area with your skillset. (Inside Combat Rescue Ep.1 Visions of War 1080p - YouTube(series, check it out) and heres the course for it :PARARESCUE: Rescue Warriors Pt.1 of 6: Crawl, Walk, Run - YouTube) but of course, both those fields probably stop you medically due to the surgery :/

Thank you man, I appreciate it very much.

I have looked into PJ as well, I just neglected to mention it in the above post. I really like the looks of those fields to be honest, and in my gut it feels perfect for what I'm capable of and what I love to do. As has been said though, I suppose I will have to wait and see. I'm staying optimistic.

ChewieTobbacca_sl · Oct 13, 2013

eXarc_sl said:
I would kill to work in the Air Force in avionics or anything similar/revolving around aircraft. I've been studying medicine my entire life (almost literally, my parents own a medical company so from the time I was old enough to read and conversate with my parents they began teaching me about medicine, the industry and everything that goes along with it) and I've always felt going into the Navy as a HCorpsman was the best choice.

I haven't decided wether or not yet to serve, but it's a serious struggle for me to decide on the branch, the only two options being Air Force or Navy. I flew through the NG/Army exams and tests and wasn't interested in any MOS they offered at the time (I scored a 98 on the ASVAB so I qualified for all positions but the majority of higher intellectually processing MOS positions were full, such as all the Sierra and Quebec ones, etc.) and I didn't feel like going 68W (reclassified now I believe? Combat Medic.) since I would rather be in another branch doing other things for medicine.

I also considered Tac-P or SERE specialists in the Air Force and still am, however I don't have much more time to make a decision. As I was about to pull the trigger within the past year and do it I found out I needed major brain surgery, so now I have no idea if I can even join and do anything I want after. I have to wait and see, and by then, I'm not sure it will be worth it. I've trained with many, many people over the past 5 years of my life outside to prepare myself for any military career I could possibly want granted I qualified for all them physically/mentally and clearance wise. I still train to this day and it won't ever go to waste as I probably will end up in some private intelligence/security work down the road if I end up not actually enlisting but it'd still be a shame to not be able to serve like the majority of my family and to honor myself by serving others. We'll see.

Thanks to all who serve and have served. All aces in my book.

Sorry to hear about the surgery thing, but depending on what it is, you can find out if it's a disqualifying condition or not. All the medical requirements and what not for enlistment are public if that helps you figure out what's waiverable and isn't. Here's the Army requirements for enlistment:http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/c...df/613003p.pdf

That's what MEPS uses, most other branches have pretty much similar requirements so you can search the PDF for your condition or whatever. Note that requirements (and what branches will waiver) for commissioning are much tighter than enlistment

As far as branch goes... AF vs Navy... find what kind of lifestyle and mission you want. In general, Navy will have better base locations - but AF will have better quality of life (no deploying on boats). Going HM with the Navy means you can also be attached to Marine units if that's what you want to do - or you can volunteer for subs, get put on ships, or just work at bases.

Also, don't forget the Navy has avionics and aircraft as well, but the AF is definitely the boss at the science related stuff. Both do a lot of crypto and cyber stuff

Fadaar · Oct 13, 2013

eXarc_sl said:
I would kill to work in the Air Force in avionics or anything similar/revolving around aircraft. I've been studying medicine my entire life (almost literally, my parents own a medical company so from the time I was old enough to read and conversate with my parents they began teaching me about medicine, the industry and everything that goes along with it) and I've always felt going into the Navy as a HCorpsman was the best choice.

I haven't decided wether or not yet to serve, but it's a serious struggle for me to decide on the branch, the only two options being Air Force or Navy. I flew through the NG/Army exams and tests and wasn't interested in any MOS they offered at the time (I scored a 98 on the ASVAB so I qualified for all positions but the majority of higher intellectually processing MOS positions were full, such as all the Sierra and Quebec ones, etc.) and I didn't feel like going 68W (reclassified now I believe? Combat Medic.) since I would rather be in another branch doing other things for medicine.

I also considered Tac-P or SERE specialists in the Air Force and still am, however I don't have much more time to make a decision. As I was about to pull the trigger within the past year and do it I found out I needed major brain surgery, so now I have no idea if I can even join and do anything I want after. I have to wait and see, and by then, I'm not sure it will be worth it. I've trained with many, many people over the past 5 years of my life outside to prepare myself for any military career I could possibly want granted I qualified for all them physically/mentally and clearance wise. I still train to this day and it won't ever go to waste as I probably will end up in some private intelligence/security work down the road if I end up not actually enlisting but it'd still be a shame to not be able to serve like the majority of my family and to honor myself by serving others. We'll see.

Thanks to all who serve and have served. All aces in my book.

If you do decide to go AF for avionics don't hesitate to ask me whatever, been at it for nearly 4 years now on F-15's. Career field is very up and down, but not too terrible. Only suggestion I would have is to not pick the same AFSC I did (used to be 2a3x1, now it's 2a3x4) and try to stay on heavies (bombers/transports) or a fighter that isn't the F-15. Bases for F-15's are very limited, only like 6 total with two of them being nearly impossible to get (Eglin AFB in Florida and Nellis AFB in Vegas).

Phelps_sl · Oct 13, 2013

Exarc, If you're planning on going Navy, they'll likely push for you to go Nuclear field with your high ASVAB. Unless you like the idea of 12 hour workdays and being treated as a subhuman for your first two years, the answer is no. A fair number of the guys I work with mentioned that they had gone in to go for the medical side of things, but were convinced to go nuke. Most of those people regret being persuaded. Not to mention it's a bad time to start as a nuke, with the various delays going on right now.

If you're going for medical, by all means don't let them try and convince you otherwise. I'd tell you about the Air Force side of things but I know very little about it. The biggest thing to take away is to do something you like, not what the recruiter wants for his numbers.

ChewieTobbacca_sl · Oct 13, 2013

Phelps_sl said:
If you're going for medical, by all means don't let them try and convince you otherwise. I'd tell you about the Air Force side of things but I know very little about it. The biggest thing to take away is to do something you like, not what the recruiter wants for his numbers.

This.

Don't take no for an answer - the person that should care most about your career should be you. Way too many people give in rather than waiting for the opportunity they want

That being said, don't hesitate to look up multiple fields. You said you might be interested in security or intelligence stuff... well you're in luck, cause the Navy has a robust intel (more on the signals side of things... Army is where it's at for boots on the ground human intel) and crypto community and when you get out, with the clearance you'll have, you'll be pestered constantly by headhunters

eXarc · Oct 14, 2013

Wow, thanks for all of the support and information.

I actually have copies of the HCPCS, ICD-9 (10?) and CPT 2013s on my desk, and copies all the way back from 2006 in my closet so I actually forgot I could totally cross reference that with the military's stuff online. Appreciate it man!

The way it's looking, my vision is corrected just under 8 so I passed on that. Everything else is strictly neurological/vascular as a result of the diagnostics/symptoms for the brain surgery (and have never had any major health problems before) so unfortunately I won't know if I qualify until AFTER surgery and then AFTER rehabilatiation and getting myself back to normal. That's another reason it's such an issue - it could take fucking forever. Who knows! I'll keep updated and come back with any questions after surgery if I need help since you guys are so informative. Appreciate it bros.

As for getting pushed around by a recruiter, I don't have to worry about it. Like I said I've been training for many years for several different reasons and this has been with people who have connections and are veterans themselves in very serious fields - it would be a terrible mistake for anyone to want to join the military and get pushed around and added to the numbers pile. I've seen it happen to friends and they are fucking miserable, there's absolutely no way I would let it happen to me and if it even got close, I'd pull the plug and find someone else to recruit me or another way to go about it. That's all there is to it. Solid advice and much appreciated.

eenis_sl · Oct 15, 2013

I'm pretty sure they aren't handing out waivers anymore, are you going to need one?

ToeMissile · Oct 15, 2013

eenis_sl said:
...are you going to need one?

Yes.

eXarc · Oct 15, 2013

So there's absolutely no way this is going to happen (I have RL connections who will end up seeing this through but for the sake of finishing it out here) even if I left surgery completely recovered with absolutely no residual effects and it had zero effect on my performance of militarily duty?

The last time I heard about waivers it was still possible for certain situations, is this no longer true?

Brikker · Oct 15, 2013

Don't listen to randoms on the internet. Take care of your shit; when you're done, and if you still want to join: try.

ChewieTobbacca_sl · Oct 15, 2013

eXarc_sl said:
So there's absolutely no way this is going to happen (I have RL connections who will end up seeing this through but for the sake of finishing it out here) even if I left surgery completely recovered with absolutely no residual effects and it had zero effect on my performance of militarily duty?

The last time I heard about waivers it was still possible for certain situations, is this no longer true?

It depends on what's waiverable and what isn't. Ultimately, the final call is up to the docs at whatever service you are applying for

And not handing out waivers isn't true - it just depends on what its for and whether your position is one they need people in. They aren't apt to hand out legal/moral waivers these days but medical ones still definitely happen

Firewater Burns_sl · Oct 15, 2013

eXarc_sl said:
I would kill to work in the Air Force in avionics or anything similar/revolving around aircraft.

If you can not get a waiver, you can still work in aviation. The business aviation industry (Gulfstream, Bombardier, Dasault, ext.) has the money to implement much of the bleeding edge technology that you might find in the military (albeit, used for different applications). Commercial aviation, on the other hand, is all about cutting as many corners as possible to save money.

If you are into avionics in particular, look at jobs withHoneywellif you want to try to get in on the research side. I believe they are the largest avionics distributor and there are numerous independent shops that overhaul and service avionics for the industry where one could find employment.

If you have to pay for education yourself (not get military training), research the schools thoroughly. Correspondence with theNBAA(National Business Aviation Association) may be your best place to start. If you have money to burn, you could buy a ticket to their huge convention in Vegas, that starts next week. It is the largest in the industry.

eXarc · Oct 15, 2013

It's funny that you mention it, I've already worked with Honeywell (and several of their brother/sister companies) in the security field. I've never really thought of working in aviation outside of the military, but now that it's getting some perspective it actually sounds like something I should keep in mind.

Thanks for the thoughts.

eenis_sl · Oct 15, 2013

Well the reason I brought the waiver up and asked if you will need one is that I know guys who couldn't join due to surgeries. Brain surgery sounds pretty intense so I would contact a recruiter and find out if that condition is waiver-able or if it even requires a waiver. I also know that waivers are a lot harder to get since they have a surplus of recruits and are trying to downsize. I doubt I could have gotten my MOS in todays enviroment.

If you can join and can become a TACP/JTAC, its probably the coolest thing in the airforce short of being CCT or a pilot. Worked with some JTAC's, good guys

Fadaar · Oct 16, 2013

Firewater Burns_sl said:
If you can not get a waiver, you can still work in aviation. The business aviation industry (Gulfstream, Bombardier, Dasault, ext.) has the money to implement much of the bleeding edge technology that you might find in the military (albeit, used for different applications). Commercial aviation, on the other hand, is all about cutting as many corners as possible to save money.

If you are into avionics in particular, look at jobs withHoneywellif you want to try to get in on the research side. I believe they are the largest avionics distributor and there are numerous independent shops that overhaul and service avionics for the industry where one could find employment.

If you have to pay for education yourself (not get military training), research the schools thoroughly. Correspondence with theNBAA(National Business Aviation Association) may be your best place to start. If you have money to burn, you could buy a ticket to their huge convention in Vegas, that starts next week. It is the largest in the industry.

Another company would be Raytheon. They're a huge producer for weapons and radar.

calhoonjugganaut · Oct 18, 2013

Had my first PT test this past Tuesday and it kicked my fucking ass. 10 years of smoking cigarettes, drinking beer and playing video games caught up with my ass pretty quick. I kept up with the young bucks joining and going to future soldier meetings up until that dreaded 1 mile run. 1 fucking mile. I couldn't even finish that shit. Probably the most embarrassed I've ever felt. To this day I look like I'm in pretty good shape, 6'0'' and 190 lbs. but fuck! I leave on the 12th of November. I've already stopped smoking since Tuesday and I hope I can never look that weak ever again. I had no idea I was where I was.

Brikker · Oct 18, 2013

CalhoonJugganaut_sl said:
Had my first PT test this past Tuesday and it kicked my fucking ass. 10 years of smoking cigarettes, drinking beer and playing video games caught up with my ass pretty quick. I kept up with the young bucks joining and going to future soldier meetings up until that dreaded 1 mile run. 1 fucking mile. I couldn't even finish that shit. Probably the most embarrassed I've ever felt. To this day I look like I'm in pretty good shape, 6'0'' and 190 lbs. but fuck! I leave on the 12th of November. I've already stopped smoking since Tuesday and I hope I can never look that weak ever again. I had no idea I was where I was.

You should have started basic cardio and strength training months out if you're in that bad of shape.

Also, I'm assuming you're going Army: I think they run a 2-mile for their PT tests.

Friday · Oct 18, 2013

Running for the military is just one of those things you have to commit to.

Run run run, all day long.

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