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thanks, found it but on like a 3 hour delay. kinda sucks but better then nothing

I know its not MMA but check this guy out, dude is vicious.

Grumpus_sl said:

I know its not MMA but check this guy out, dude is vicious.

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Watched that a day or two ago. Some of his elbows are just amazing. Crazy angles, no distance, and he still generates knockdown power with them. It's sick. Standing inside 12-6 elbow from clinch distance? WHY NOT!?

Throwing a 12-6 elbow at someones temple is so brutal, even of you hated someone.

First GSP/Diaz Press Conference is about to start for those interested

http://www.ufc.com/media/158-ticket-press-conference

Ameraves_sl said:

Did Diaz show up? I am in the car and can't watch it unfortunately.

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He showed up and I can certainly see why he didn't show up to the last one as you can tell he's pretty uncomfortable up there. I've always appreciated GSP's demeanor when it came to not responding to the shit talking and how he conducts himself in/out of the ring. Hearing that he chose this fight and why makes me respect him more as long as it's not just a bunch of smoke being blown up my ass. I'm hopeful that it's a good fight but the only way I see that happening is if Diaz can actually stick it to GSP.

When I used to smoke weed for a few years that shit made me socially awkward. Once I quit that was no longer the case.

Anyways, I like fights like this. Both guys don't like each other and it gives the audience more of a reason to care in some sense. There have only been a handful of fights that I liked where both guys liked each other (i.e. Cerrone vs. Guillard). In this case I think both guys will be motivated and GSP will be tested more than he has in years. I kind of seeing it play out like Henderson vs. Nate Diaz though.

Ameraves_sl said:

5 rounds of patented GSP wrestle-rape. Can't wait.

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The only person he has fought who is comfortable on his back is BJ penn and they were great fights.

Would anyone be surprised to see GSP pull a Condit and control distance and just jab/straight Diaz to a pulp while that retard makes no adjustments and whines about GSP not fighting his fight? Anyone at all? We already know GSP has one of the best jabs in the sport, look at Koscheck's eye for proof.

I just hope he doesn't do the same thing he has does for 5 years, which is grind out a decision in the most boring way possible.

GSP's chin is still there for the taking. Its just so difficult to consistently find him as he is either going to take you down as soon as you open up, or jab you to fucking death.

Diaz' grind you down style does not bode well for him here and he might have to scare GSP with some defensive subs and convince him to keep shit standing and just try to outgun him in the striking game. Its possible, probably more possible than GSP knocking him out.

Oh, and that dude Corbett is a fucking animal. Crafty elbows and insane accuracy and power on his strikes.

Problem for Diaz striking is his game is predicated on his opponent not being able to disengage without taking some shots. If you look at the elite strikers he took down they were guys who liked to get inside and throw hooks and the like. Daley, Cyborg, Zaromskis. And every time one of those guys is getting in to or out of striking range they're going through a barrage of fists to get there.

So, when was the last time you saw GSP striking inside? Trading hooks and the like. Most of Nick's striking is nullified before they even step in the cage.

So where does that leave us? His BJJ. And here's the dirty little secret: Nick Diaz has never submitted a guy with world class BJJ defense, or even particularly high end BJJ defense. GSP has this. He hasn't even really been threatened with a close submission since the Hughes armbar a hundred years ago. It's not that Nick's sub game is bad, that would be an idiotic statement, but he's never proven he's a guy that will create openings for submissions on his own against a truly elite opponent.

All of this is ignoring that to work his BJJ game at all he'll be reliant on GSP taking it to the ground, because Nick doesn't even seem to believe in takedowns. How likely is it he'll suddenly be able to take down maybe the best wrestler in MMA?

None of this means Nick can't win, that he won't land that one stiff punch he needs to wobble GSP and pounce. It just means that on paper is is not a particularly scary match-up for GSP. If he fights his fight he's got every advantage, and there's no good reason to think he won't be able to fight his fight.

GSP needs to finish IMO. He doesnt HAVE to, considering Diaz is such a quality opponent, but for fucks sake, the guy has put on so many dominant, decision performances its getting to the point where thats the only thing you can expect. He isnt finishing people. Like, ever. Yeah he beat a few guys up, but how nice would it be for him to finish Diaz?

Highly unlikely, but wouldnt it be nice to see GSP open himself up a bit in order to land something significant? He never takes risks, which is my problem.

I'm kind of over hoping he starts finishing. It's just so obviously not in the books for him. He's absolutely dominated the best fighters in the world for five and a half years now, 8+ if you discount 1 punch from Serra. Itryand just focus on that now and enjoy him for what he is and not what I wish he was. Less frustrating this way.

To me Nick Diaz is Michael Bisping if Bisping was ever in Strikeforce. His stand-up is better than most guys, but it won't be effective against top tier guys. This isn't to say that GSP will finish him, but I think GSP beats him technically every time. And for him to do that I don't think it will make the fight boring either. That's one thing I love about MMA...you can pick somebody apart and it never gets old. GSP is great at just tooling people. Who cares if it goes to decision if you get to see a guy truly outclass someone who is supposed to be near/at his level.

CalhoonJugganaut_sl said:

To me Nick Diaz is Michael Bisping if Bisping was ever in Strikeforce. His stand-up is better than most guys, but it won't be effective against top tier guys. This isn't to say that GSP will finish him, but I think GSP beats him technically every time. And for him to do that I don't think it will make the fight boring either. That's one thing I love about MMA...you can pick somebody apart and it never gets old. GSP is great at just tooling people. Who cares if it goes to decision if you get to see a guy truly outclass someone who is supposed to be near/at his level.

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C'mon. Diaz is a much better fighter than Bisping.

His stand-up is probably top 10 in MMA history. And he usually just boxes. His volume and pace are the reason for his success, and most fighters arent prepared or equipped to deal with such a barrage of strikes. He doesnt have to knock your head off, all he has to do is keep you on the defensive and continue to do small amounts of damage over time. Eventually his cardio will overpower you and a stoppage or lopsided decision usually comes.

The problem for him is GSP has equally good cardio and possibly better striking as hard as that is to believe. He just doesnt throw as many punches/strikes.