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jayrebb
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lol gabigarcia liked a few of my pics on instagram a few weeks after I followed her.
its gimmicky but still felt kinda cool as it wasn't within the likes-for-follow typical time frame. and 410 w/ no carbs damn dat dere central nervous system is robust
its gimmicky but still felt kinda cool as it wasn't within the likes-for-follow typical time frame. and 410 w/ no carbs damn dat dere central nervous system is robust
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There's no question in my mind that the winner of that fight would have a penis.
I know Gabi through BJJ. She's a real sweetheart, unless you're competing against her. On the mats, holy hell. I have never been so badly manhandled (pun intended) in my life.
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jayrebb
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Pretty much. She was something like 290 at the time. Anyone that size with a bit of experience is going to give a normal person fits. Mass = results.
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I was in the mid-high 200's for bodyweight way back in college (bodytype would be Tim Boetsch on roids) and I'd "backyard roll" with this guy who fought at 170. I could pretty much shoot on any body part or grab anything I wanted. Close distance, grab a leg, submit it. with garbage technique and no skill just using videos and intelligence of anatomy to torque different locks with very little BJJ mat time behind any of it. Grab an arm, twist it, yep that looks like a kimura, tapped. In a bad position for a lock, no problem just toss the little bastard around and switch ends could go from a shoulder to an ankle without him being able to do anything about it.
As long as it was done standing up from a shot, he seemed lost on what to do. Now if you started me IN his guard, that could be a problem but even then not sure I couldn't just submit him from his guard. We always started standing up and I'd shoot on him and scramble for the first thing that popped up from the fall. In the scramble he'd be completely lost. I never felt him able to "win" during the shot and immediate follow-up scramble. If I didn't get anything in the immediate scramble though, I'd start to feel threatened and my size advantage waned and I'd have to really start working and keeping track of my breathing/gas.
Josh Barnett believing so much in "catch wrestling" over BJJ for the heavyweight division might have something to do with locks taking less skill and technique at that dvision. At a certain size I'd think BJJ starts becoming impractical. I can't think of any heavyweight BJJ that I've seen but I never really thought about it until now.
I'd guess because BJJ is a lot of hips and guard, and you can't use those two things with that kind of weight.
I knew this going into it but the guy had small man complex and wanted to try to use his skills on some big guys. I was just a kid, today I don't believe in backyard bullshit and I don't believe in active fighters messing with people who don't actively train and/or fight regardless of the specifics. And I'm wiser to these napolean fellas. He could have went for less than double his bodyweight in front of his girlfriend, there were other guys there...I had that fuck in an ankle lock and he wouldn't tap. If he wasn't my friend I'd have thought about socking him in the head for having such a bad attitude and poor sportsmanship. I let go of it after saying whats your fucking problem man, tap. And just got up and said that's it. Small man indeed.
As long as it was done standing up from a shot, he seemed lost on what to do. Now if you started me IN his guard, that could be a problem but even then not sure I couldn't just submit him from his guard. We always started standing up and I'd shoot on him and scramble for the first thing that popped up from the fall. In the scramble he'd be completely lost. I never felt him able to "win" during the shot and immediate follow-up scramble. If I didn't get anything in the immediate scramble though, I'd start to feel threatened and my size advantage waned and I'd have to really start working and keeping track of my breathing/gas.
Josh Barnett believing so much in "catch wrestling" over BJJ for the heavyweight division might have something to do with locks taking less skill and technique at that dvision. At a certain size I'd think BJJ starts becoming impractical. I can't think of any heavyweight BJJ that I've seen but I never really thought about it until now.
I'd guess because BJJ is a lot of hips and guard, and you can't use those two things with that kind of weight.
I knew this going into it but the guy had small man complex and wanted to try to use his skills on some big guys. I was just a kid, today I don't believe in backyard bullshit and I don't believe in active fighters messing with people who don't actively train and/or fight regardless of the specifics. And I'm wiser to these napolean fellas. He could have went for less than double his bodyweight in front of his girlfriend, there were other guys there...I had that fuck in an ankle lock and he wouldn't tap. If he wasn't my friend I'd have thought about socking him in the head for having such a bad attitude and poor sportsmanship. I let go of it after saying whats your fucking problem man, tap. And just got up and said that's it. Small man indeed.
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Kick ass video, thanks
TomServo
. That breakdown is priceless in getting an understanding of high level elite catch wrestling.
I don't know who is a bigger beast there though, Lister or Barnett. I'd bet Barnett thought that would be a tiny bit easier after the first 5.
I think Randy Couture was one of the few guys with the body type to utilize some legitimate BJJ in the heavyweight division, but that's a special circumstance as he's not a true HW. I'd think catch wrestling would benefit guys like Brock Lesnar tremendously, I'd hope Brock only was training BJJ to learn how his opponent behaves since BJJ is the dominant grappling discipline. I remember him spending A LOT of time on BJJ and working with elite BJJ coaches, and I am not sure that was time well spent...OK you've got threats like Frank Mir, one of the few guys with great hips in that division who was selling BJJ at HW...but yeah.
It was arguably a waste of time.
I guess it doesn't matter now since Brock officially retired. Man, HW is getting shallow.
TomServo
. That breakdown is priceless in getting an understanding of high level elite catch wrestling.I don't know who is a bigger beast there though, Lister or Barnett. I'd bet Barnett thought that would be a tiny bit easier after the first 5.
I think Randy Couture was one of the few guys with the body type to utilize some legitimate BJJ in the heavyweight division, but that's a special circumstance as he's not a true HW. I'd think catch wrestling would benefit guys like Brock Lesnar tremendously, I'd hope Brock only was training BJJ to learn how his opponent behaves since BJJ is the dominant grappling discipline. I remember him spending A LOT of time on BJJ and working with elite BJJ coaches, and I am not sure that was time well spent...OK you've got threats like Frank Mir, one of the few guys with great hips in that division who was selling BJJ at HW...but yeah.
It was arguably a waste of time.
I guess it doesn't matter now since Brock officially retired. Man, HW is getting shallow.
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I just found out that Brock essentially was retired by USADA, Brock didn't retire from the UFC, USADA made the decision for him if you read between the lines.
Brock Lesnar notifies UFC of his retirement from MMA
As reported here, before Brock announced his retirement, the UFC actually went ahead and announced it for him. The article speaks for itself, I don't think there is any conspiracy to this one.
I'm sure the new owners are thrilled one of their biggest draws just walked because he had to pull out of USADA. He made it half a year almost with randomized USADA testing. His body must not have been reacting well and he needed some type of anti-estrogen/steroid again. He was off suspension in July, he had only 4 more months of testing to get his license back.
You are not licensed if you do not serve the suspension under the USADA drug testing program. He would have to serve the additional couple of months he has left under USADA in order to receive his license back.
He's probably been trying to figure this thing out all this time. WWE checks are his bread and butter and the banned list is so extensive, this is almost assuredly a Chael Sonnen situation where his health came first.
(p.s. I was going to throw a lot more Lumie into this post but I figured you guys are still recovering from the last tantrum.)
Brock Lesnar notifies UFC of his retirement from MMA
As reported here, before Brock announced his retirement, the UFC actually went ahead and announced it for him. The article speaks for itself, I don't think there is any conspiracy to this one.
I'm sure the new owners are thrilled one of their biggest draws just walked because he had to pull out of USADA. He made it half a year almost with randomized USADA testing. His body must not have been reacting well and he needed some type of anti-estrogen/steroid again. He was off suspension in July, he had only 4 more months of testing to get his license back.
You are not licensed if you do not serve the suspension under the USADA drug testing program. He would have to serve the additional couple of months he has left under USADA in order to receive his license back.
He's probably been trying to figure this thing out all this time. WWE checks are his bread and butter and the banned list is so extensive, this is almost assuredly a Chael Sonnen situation where his health came first.
(p.s. I was going to throw a lot more Lumie into this post but I figured you guys are still recovering from the last tantrum.)
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Nogueira and Mir had excellent BJJ in the upper weights. Barnett as well, and Fedor. The difference between Catch Wrestling and BJJ is 90% semantic in the context of MMA.
It's true that, for whatever reason, there aren't as many active grapplers at the higher weights. I suspect that it's simply easier to learn to stand and bang with a bit of wrestling.
It's true that, for whatever reason, there aren't as many active grapplers at the higher weights. I suspect that it's simply easier to learn to stand and bang with a bit of wrestling.
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My guess is that generally they just over power people and use their size, without properly learning technique, how things work, why they work, being able to feel when people are off balance. They just don't get to train against people who are bigger or stronger than they are, like the tall boxers who just jab everyone and have crap technique and then shit themselves when someone takes the fight to them and gets on the inside.
That's what frustrates me most about Gabi because it's built like a silverback it should easily dominate any match and land more submissions than Marcelo and Roger, but instead it gets a dominant position and sits on top of the competition until it wins on points.
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jayrebb
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Its alright
Homsar
. Part of the MMA thread today is explaining what such and such means to a largely desynchronized community, now in 2017.
The cultural/socioeconomic differences on this forum have become a little more apparent. There is no other way to explain so much questioning over the smallest of items, in the most casual of threads. Everyone is plugged into their own media. Everyone has different entertainment sources and news feeds. Some guys are on reddit, some guys are only on ESPN, some guys are on the chans, some guy only reads the Wallstreet Journal.
You have guys who aren't plugged into pop culture or populist sources who will shamelessly question this and that, instead of just ignoring it. Its in every thread now, and it didn't exist in 2005. You could post a top 10 trending meme and have somebody ask whats so funny about it.
Homsar
. Part of the MMA thread today is explaining what such and such means to a largely desynchronized community, now in 2017.The cultural/socioeconomic differences on this forum have become a little more apparent. There is no other way to explain so much questioning over the smallest of items, in the most casual of threads. Everyone is plugged into their own media. Everyone has different entertainment sources and news feeds. Some guys are on reddit, some guys are only on ESPN, some guys are on the chans, some guy only reads the Wallstreet Journal.
You have guys who aren't plugged into pop culture or populist sources who will shamelessly question this and that, instead of just ignoring it. Its in every thread now, and it didn't exist in 2005. You could post a top 10 trending meme and have somebody ask whats so funny about it.
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