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I'm still in the confuses a straightforward mechanic camp myself. "Is it a color? You need that color. Is it grey? Any mana works." was not a difficult concept to grasp, even when I picked the game up in 4th grade.
Because Sol Ring taps for colorless mana. The cost of Grizzly Bear is G and 1 mana of any color(including colorless, which has always been shorthanded to just G and colorless). No I don't understand why this needs clarification either. Because you missed the distinction because it was never relevant until Oath but understand the mechanic.
As I understand it the point is to give colorless it's own "color symbol". So that new players are not confused by the "if grey can be paid for with every color something that taps for grey must BE every color." fallacy that I have literally neither seen or heard of happening.
It's still the same mana though. We both agree it doesn't need clarification. We both can see why if this was from day 1 and you had a distinct colorless mana OR many of any color producer it would matter.
It is useful if you are going to plan future cards that use "pure" colorless but it wasn't necessary in any way for new players to explain how cards like Sol Ring work. That is just stupid.
It is useful if you are going to plan future cards that use "pure" colorless but it wasn't necessary in any way for new players to explain how cards like Sol Ring work. That is just stupid.
Doesn't do much to dissuade me from my a case of "I want it to be this way cuz it's advantageous right now" rather than "I find this to be a legitimate and reasonable misunderstanding for a new player to have." hypothesis personally. But I've already exhausted what little care I had.
The whole thing is just kind of eye roll worthy. I remember when I really wanted a Silence to be a counter spell too as a new player because I didn't understand the game. That's what shops and other players are for. Because it's not like two people with a clash pack are going to be figuring that shit out and playing correctly on their own anyway. Motherfucking Dewayne Still doesn't know how Angel of Serenity works and motherfuckers had her in his deck since the card came out. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER DEWAYNE I'M NOT EXPLAINING IT AGAIN NEXT TRIP.
Okay I lied one last thing. Honestly I'll be very, very surprised if this doesn't show up outside of Oath as a way to open up design space with artifacts or what have you going forward. I think the explanation is just too retarded for it to be anything else. Which is fine and maybe I'm wrong. But if I'm not I'd rather they had just called a spade a spade. What deck doesn't play Sol Ring in standard that isn't named RDW? What decks play a Sol Ring that costs C?
You would have to be a moron though to think that or not be able to read a rulebook or not have a single friend teach you.You were the guy who said it was a fallacy. I was just using an anecdote from a Hall of Famer who made the same error when learning the game.
Because one guy failed to read at the time doesn't mean we should redesign the way we play a game now.
I read the tweets that said something about Sol Ring and rolled my eyes. We are worried about a card that confused somebody and is from Alpha in 2015? Surely they could have found some example of some moron in 2015 at least? Nope?
There is going to be pages of errata written based off this because one guy was confused in the late 90's - early 2000's.
drtyrm
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Yep, Brian Kibler, confirmed moron.
Good to see there is no topic you won't exaggerate and move the goalposts on a_skeleton_03.
I didn't move any goalposts. This is a boring and stupid change.
They MIGHT make more use out of it in the upcoming block and that IS a good reason.
Because a pro and now competing game designer was confused by Sol Ring for a day or week or whatever. He was playing in 1996 and was confused about an Alpha card. He learned how to use the card probably the first time somebody explained it to him. He didn't play during the internet age. This is 2015 and if someone is playing Magic outside of their own kitchen they understand how colorless mana works.
They MIGHT make more use out of it in the upcoming block and that IS a good reason.
Because a pro and now competing game designer was confused by Sol Ring for a day or week or whatever. He was playing in 1996 and was confused about an Alpha card. He learned how to use the card probably the first time somebody explained it to him. He didn't play during the internet age. This is 2015 and if someone is playing Magic outside of their own kitchen they understand how colorless mana works.
Chris
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Who gives a shit? I don't see why drama... oh wait I do it's the above average percentage of autism in MTG.
All mana is produced as one of WUBRGC, with (1) on old mana generating cards meaning C.
Mana can be spent as WUBRGC with numbers meaning use anything.
Is that correct?
The only possible confusion is new players thinking old land cards with (1) on them don't generate C, but those were usually higher rarity and shitty utility cards anyway so will they even have them?
Opens up a lot of design space for more powerful artifacts and eldrazi that can't be played in every deck.
All mana is produced as one of WUBRGC, with (1) on old mana generating cards meaning C.
Mana can be spent as WUBRGC with numbers meaning use anything.
Is that correct?
The only possible confusion is new players thinking old land cards with (1) on them don't generate C, but those were usually higher rarity and shitty utility cards anyway so will they even have them?
Opens up a lot of design space for more powerful artifacts and eldrazi that can't be played in every deck.
Xalara
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One of my biggest issues with MTG, especially competitive MTG. My personal term for those types is "reddit neckbeard." The only issue is, a lot of them don't have neckbeards.
Kuro
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Whole bunch of spoilers for OGW:
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You think some of those lands are going to become a big part of Affinity maybe? That was the deck I want to build to get into Modern.