Yea if anyone has an arena beta key I would love one too. Looks good. I play duels all the damn time. Refuse to buy cards on that game and mtgo my cards suck haha.
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Heylel
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I'll never understand the grinder thing. It's like applying WoW grinder logic to a paper card game. I used to judge for fun quite a bit, but I've pretty much quit entirely since moving. It is VASTLY more profitable to try a little harder and work my way up the bonus ladder than to judge on the weekends, and frankly it's less work. It's even worse for players who are paying to attend.
Enzee
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As someone who had a grinder mentality, its often people who dont like their day job, day job doesnt pay well, or are making a living at magic (like a backpack trader) that perpetuate the mindset. I was a backpack trader and had my own tcg store. Friends of mine who were competitive, but had decent paying day jobs, apply the grinder mindset because they naturally min/max and were hanging out with people like me.
Now, we were never so crazy as to goto a shop we hated because prize support was '5%' better. But, if one was offering 1.5 pack per player and another was 2? And we didnt mind either store? Hell yea you goto the 2 pack place. That often meant 1st was like 12 packs instead of 6-8 (depends how they break it down) and we had a good shot at getting 1st every week. So, for the same time investment, you got 4-6 extra packs.
Wantonsoup95
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The grinder mentality is what caused me to stop playing FNM.
Had a group of 4 every night that always took the draw if facing each other. Or rare drafted and dropped. Didn't matter what format, split it all between them.
Turnout was always about 15 to 18 people 3 months ago every night. 2 weeks ago 4 people other than myself.
The group completely destroyed the casual crowd.
Had a group of 4 every night that always took the draw if facing each other. Or rare drafted and dropped. Didn't matter what format, split it all between them.
Turnout was always about 15 to 18 people 3 months ago every night. 2 weeks ago 4 people other than myself.
The group completely destroyed the casual crowd.
Enzee
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so.. they purposefully handicapped themselves by taking draws, and this caused others to get upset? If you go 4-0 and one of them goes 3-0-1, they have a worse record. The intentional draw thing is what friends do, not grinders, and it helps the more casual players there, if anything. ONLY Rare drafting and then dropping is also something casual players would do. That's the opposite of a grinder, who would then try to play it out for more prize support.
Wantonsoup95
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Those 4 always brought the competitive net decks, split the prize between them, always took the draws. I understand that's part of it.
It wasn't me that got rustled by that, that came from consistent drop in player base with people having complaints about that group.
What does suck is going 3 -1 and being bumped out of 3rd by someone who's 3-0-1 and that's what drove the more casuals away. I didn't draft, was just vocal complaints about the group
It wasn't me that got rustled by that, that came from consistent drop in player base with people having complaints about that group.
What does suck is going 3 -1 and being bumped out of 3rd by someone who's 3-0-1 and that's what drove the more casuals away. I didn't draft, was just vocal complaints about the group
Enzee
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You must have had the most casual of casual stores.. drawing to split 1st and 2nd is common practice at every place ive ever been. Most stores use a prize support that makes the difference betwen 2nd and 4th too big to not do it. Its basic game theory, like the prisoner's dilemma. If its something like 12, 10, 8, 8 packs for 1st-4th. You can both draw to guarantee 11 packs (splitting 1st and 2nd). Or, play to get 12 if you win, or 8 if you lose. On average, you lose a few packs playing it out. The same thing happens in 90% of draft pods on mtgo.
You made it sound like they were drawing EVERY time they played each other, even in round 1.
If there were complaints about them, im guessing its cause they were just dicks. If it was literally just that they were winning all the time.. then everyone was being whiny bitches, sorry. You are paying to enter a tournament with prize support. If you want to bring your pile of jank and expect to win, you are delusional. Play for fun, play commander, whatever. A tournament is intended to be a competitive event, even FNM. That isnt a 'grinder' mentality, thats just being a spike.
You made it sound like they were drawing EVERY time they played each other, even in round 1.
If there were complaints about them, im guessing its cause they were just dicks. If it was literally just that they were winning all the time.. then everyone was being whiny bitches, sorry. You are paying to enter a tournament with prize support. If you want to bring your pile of jank and expect to win, you are delusional. Play for fun, play commander, whatever. A tournament is intended to be a competitive event, even FNM. That isnt a 'grinder' mentality, thats just being a spike.
Valorath
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Not up on this thread at all. Occasionally skim.
My brother and a few of his buddies did the Nicobolas vs three thing tonight. Lots of QQ from the guys that weren't Nico. They only played two games, but got waxxed apparently. Surely the three have a chance. They just need my superior battle-field command (which stems from reading lots of fantasy battles, etc).
I'm pretty jealous, because it sounds like a lot of fun. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play soon, was at work tonight. Usually when we play it's Commander.
My brother and a few of his buddies did the Nicobolas vs three thing tonight. Lots of QQ from the guys that weren't Nico. They only played two games, but got waxxed apparently. Surely the three have a chance. They just need my superior battle-field command (which stems from reading lots of fantasy battles, etc).
I'm pretty jealous, because it sounds like a lot of fun. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play soon, was at work tonight. Usually when we play it's Commander.
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Vaclav
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And full card pool of future sets. And promises of a cleaner, less buggy client. And prettier FWIW. And RL play integration.
Chris
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I assume they'll add Frontier as a format when they have their first rotation, and eventually work backwards for Modern. Then you'd hope they would work backwards to legacy and merge it with MTGO. Depends how successful it is I guess. I wouldn't mind it if they stuck to Khans onwards for the full Frontier sets though, wouldn't want a online only variant format.
I think it would be weird having the physical cards you traded for and not being able to get the ingame ones as they already got claimed, or online only cards you won online and can't transfer to paper. Do something with physical boosters though.
That would be great, even if it's just a seperate virtual booster and not those exact cards.
I think it would be weird having the physical cards you traded for and not being able to get the ingame ones as they already got claimed, or online only cards you won online and can't transfer to paper. Do something with physical boosters though.
Punko
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if they had any such intentions they should have made them clear
i can't ever see them take the effort to make all the strange older cards work in an online game, its just not worth it from a financial perspective
even mtgo misses certain hard to implement cards
i can't ever see them take the effort to make all the strange older cards work in an online game, its just not worth it from a financial perspective
even mtgo misses certain hard to implement cards
Vaclav
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The phrasing on all three of those is "for now". They're trying not to kill MTGO but at the same time, they know the writing is on the wall and eventually it will replace MTGO for such things.