drtyrm
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Why do you think Wizards added the hologram to rares/mythics? Also:
Protecting You from Counterfeits | MAGIC: THE GATHERING
Protecting You from Counterfeits | MAGIC: THE GATHERING
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I'm surprised they were able to protect it, not that they tried to. Good on China then I guess?
Tons of shit is big money. No reason to act extra suspicious and start trying to unload summer magic blue hurricanes and copy of the first world championship card.
The reason they are changing to the new card type is because almost undetectable counterfeits were/are being printed. All the way down to the blue layer in the card and the ink patterning. It was a huge topic of discussion about a year ago when they first started turning up. Last I heard the company doing the printing stopped taking ordering and refused to comment on prior printings and why they were no longer accepting orders. It all died down a little while after that. I couldn't tell the difference under 100x magnification side by side. Incredibly minute differences in font were the only way to do so iirc.
If you want fake cards just make proxies. The only reason to print near perfect cards is if you're a piece of shit cocksucking thief trying to sell counterfeit cards. If you care enough to compete at a level where you need hundreds of dollars of cards then you should care enough to buy them or find a cheaper hobby. I have $1000 in magic cards sitting within ten feet of me. Which is retarded. Which is why I don't have a single constructed deck. Limited for lyfe. Bored rambling meh.
If you want fake cards just make proxies. The only reason to print near perfect cards is if you're a piece of shit cocksucking thief trying to sell counterfeit cards. If you care enough to compete at a level where you need hundreds of dollars of cards then you should care enough to buy them or find a cheaper hobby. I have $1000 in magic cards sitting within ten feet of me. Which is retarded. Which is why I don't have a single constructed deck. Limited for lyfe. Bored rambling meh.
Heylel
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I saw some of those fakes in person. They weren't remotely as impressive as the Internet made them sound. Technically they were sound, but you could tell them apart outside of a sleeve. For someone trying to sneak by on the cheap in a tournament it might work if no one has to call a judge, but if they deck checked you or forced you to resleeve it would be obvious right away.
Vaclav
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You didn't see the good ones then Heylel - we had some good ones come through our local shop - and they were indistinguishable as far as I could tell, including handling bare when they let me.
There's been all ranges of counterfeits over the years though - and I've definitely seen many that sleeving would cover their issues, but the most recent "good fakes" weren't like that at all. [Lots of old fakes were supposedly printed and glued on legit backs - these newer fakes clearly were completely printed top to bottom, even the edge cuts looked perfect]
There's been all ranges of counterfeits over the years though - and I've definitely seen many that sleeving would cover their issues, but the most recent "good fakes" weren't like that at all. [Lots of old fakes were supposedly printed and glued on legit backs - these newer fakes clearly were completely printed top to bottom, even the edge cuts looked perfect]
Heylel
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The ones I saw were ordered straight from the Chinese site that was selling them before it was shut down. They had them at a shop nearby so people could see the difference. Maybe there were "perfect" fakes out there, and the ones I saw were definitely a reason for concern, but they weren't exact duplicates.
edit: The biggest difference was the card stock being slightly slicker than recent sets, almost like how Mirage felt when it was first printed back in the day. It has a tad more gloss than normal, which was readily apparent in strong light.
edit: The biggest difference was the card stock being slightly slicker than recent sets, almost like how Mirage felt when it was first printed back in the day. It has a tad more gloss than normal, which was readily apparent in strong light.
Mahes
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From what I read last year, and I could try to find the article again but I am lazy, the counterfeits were just as good as the originals. The company/printers were very good at what they were doing. Apparently they got shut down, which is actually very surprising given how many other things are counterfeited in China. I imagine that Hasbro had to intervene with thier much larger wallet. No matter how many antimeasures are put into a card, if the money is worth it, others will find a way of duplicating it. This includes the hologram technology.
Izo
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What about you and your wallet? They set the price. They make the cards, 'rarity' and thus worth, the rules, the game, even digital copies(and not at a discount). It's not like it's some generic board game. They make new series, restrict cards etc to protect their business model. How much more of a monopoly could this be? Branded product...
Heylel
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90%+ of the money I spend on magic is on the secondary market. I very rarely buy sealed product that wotc makes a dime off of. The shops do that, buying in bulk for drafts or just to beat the averages on card pulls for resale. Secondary value is subject to market forces beyond wotc's control. They dictate print runs, yes, and they determine what cards see a reprint. I would argue Star city has a much larger impact on individual card prices than wotc, though.
Vaclav
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Nod, that's the only way I could tell the example Tundra apart personally. (They had an example Lotus too, but no real to compare against at the shop - Tundra is the best since I could compare directly)