Rabbit_Games
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I haven't decided yet, either. I have decided to go build-my-own, just not what software to use. I'm waiting until Black Friday/Cyber Monday to start grabbing hardware.
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I haven't used unraid, but I'm running TrueNas Scale right now and have no complaints. Everything was pretty easy. The only issue is that due to some juvenile inter-team spat the primary group of third party apps ("charts") was rendered incompatible this year and you're just left with a limited library from the TrueNAS team. All the important stuff I use is available, so it doesn't bother me. YMMV if you want to run odd game servers or whatever. They're redoing the app architecture in the near future, which is supposed to improve the selection.
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Arative
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I'll take a look at both. With the qnap I ran a containers using linuxserver.io for the images, so hopefully they both support that. Not that I can't get the image somewhere else but linuxserver.io is very good about updating them.
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My bailing wire and gum home network (USB connected HDD via old router w/ wifi turned off) finally died. Well the router did. I'm going to quit fucking around and get a NAS soon as we're done spending $$ on Xmas (should be in a few days). I'm NOT going to build my own, I'm not really looking forward to it anyhow but since It needs doing I'm going to do it right. Looks like I have a lot of reading ahead of me. Sure do wish the search function worked around here............................................................
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Arative
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I can't speak for synology but outside of my issue with the hardware bug in the intel celeron chip, I've been happy with my QNAP. My only issue is that QNAP was aware of the hardware issue and didn't notify anyone about it or offer to make it right but I've gotten 9 years out of it, so that's alright I guess. The QNAP OS is pretty easy to use. I run a plex server and a mysql server I use for Kodi. Plus, sonaar, radaar, nzbhydra2 and nzbget containers on it and it handles everything fairly well.
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Being a Unifi bro- they released their NAS but its just a storage thing, its not a docker/vm thing… its meant for just storage etc if that’s in anyone’s wheel house of needs
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All I need is something to store years and years of photos/videos/TV shows/etc. I do manual backups a lot. It will sit on my network and feed a KODI head end at the TV (currently a prebuild POS I bought years ago and have hated since but it works) .Since I'm going to do it *right* I'm thinking 4 drives min and at least RAID 5 (is RAID 6 still a thing and/or worth the extra parity drive?) Also what's the *sweet spot* price/space for HDD's now? Like I said, a lot of reading up to do.
if you're doing a nas nowadays it's kinda zfs pools or nothing imo. Hardware raid cards are out, you just want your hardware to present a bunch of disks and let the OS raid them all together. You'll have to translate the terminology a bit, but the general ideas are the same. A 4 drive pool with 1 drive worth of parity will work. But it's a balancing act. With a z1 raid, you can lose 1 drive at a time. Hope another doesn't die while you replace and resilver the array. Z2 you can lose 2, but then with 4 drives you are kinda better off with a pool of 2 mirrors.
Also with extra large drives it gets a bit more paranoia inducing.
I ghetto'd my shit together over time. I have 2x 3 drive z1s currently with 4 TB drives. I'm going to need to replace them soon as i'm hitting 70+% utilization. If I had some spending money and was starting from scratch, i'd do a 6x10 or 6x12TB drive in a z2.
I'll either need some spare drives to do some zfs send|recv or i need to man up and buy 6 new drives to expand my shit, either way i have some spendy upgrades ahead of me.
Hopefully drives go on sale this holiday.
Also with extra large drives it gets a bit more paranoia inducing.
I ghetto'd my shit together over time. I have 2x 3 drive z1s currently with 4 TB drives. I'm going to need to replace them soon as i'm hitting 70+% utilization. If I had some spending money and was starting from scratch, i'd do a 6x10 or 6x12TB drive in a z2.
I'll either need some spare drives to do some zfs send|recv or i need to man up and buy 6 new drives to expand my shit, either way i have some spendy upgrades ahead of me.
Hopefully drives go on sale this holiday.
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Generally ZFS mirror vdevs are best for reasons. I'd avoid SMR drives (admittedly I haven't looked at them recently). For clarity regarding hardware raid cards, yes, they are out, but many can run in (or be flashed to) HBA mode, which will generally outperform the mobos built-in sata ports.
SMR is still a no-go for zfs. You'll have to do some moderate research on the drives you buy. The manufacturers have gotten semi better such that the nas branded or pro drives will likely not be SMR. But worth an internet query for sure.
Control
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I set up a Synology fairly recently. Definitely not the cheapest option, but it looked like the most straightforward thing to get up and running. No problems after the initial setup, although it ended up needing more tinkering than expected, although that was mostly because I didn't know anything about NAS's before I started (and some network issues). Not sure if they all do it the same way, but it will run backups by only storing the changed files. That lets you have some ghetto file-level version control without killing your storage. So I have mine versioning my working drives every half hour and everything daily. (Also note that you should be backing up your important stuff off-site too.)
At the time, the best tb/$ was 18tb, and I got them almost half price with some sale. If you could wait until Black Friday to order everything, you can probably save some reasonable cash.
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Kithani
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Which model did you go with? I’m thinking about looking at one for Black Friday - or if there is some other brand people recommend I’m all ears
Control
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I got a DS1821+, but that's overkill for most people. I would just doublecheck that the model you want supports their Active Backup for Business. I think most do now, but some of the smaller/older ones don't. However, you might want to get a bigger model than you think you need since you can always add drives later. Another factor was that the more bays you have, the smaller % of your storage gets eaten by your parity drives. With 8 bays, you can have 2 parity drives and still have 75% of your total storage available for example. Don't forget to check newegg. I found some of the best prices there when I put this together.
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As I showed earlier in the thread, I have one of the earlier versions of the 8-bay, and I love it. I also have the two 5-bay add-ons for it, so 18 drives in total. I added each 5 bay later over time, so they aren't quite as old, but everything is still working amazingly well outside of one of the drive bay covers doesn't snap down fully anymore, but all that does is keep dust out really. If you had kids that were likely to pull on it that could be an issue, but other than visually it doesn't matter. And I'm sure I could fix it or get a replacement part if it was really important.
Since 1-2TB drives were pretty big for when I bought it, that NAS is mostly 2-4TB now after swapping out ones that were showing signs of failing, with a few 8TB. I also have a slightly newer 8-bay that has higher capacity drives, a couple of them being 16TB. I did have to clip a little plastic nub off of the drive bays on the old one when trying to put the 8TBs in, but other than that, no issues at all.
I mainly use them just for storage and my Plex server is run by an old computer, but supposedly I could run it directly from the NAS. I'm not too sure how well that would work with 4K stuff, but maybe the newer ones can handle it no problem.
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So I'm reading a lot of negative reviews about the Synology NAS refusing to offer support for 'non verified' drives. Not sure what that means. I was planning to use NAS drives anyway. Then I see bundles with their NAS and different brand 'RED' drives. Do I need to buy drives from Synology direct? I do not really want to be locked into one brand.
Control
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I forget the details now, but iirc, it was something that only applied to their enterprise models or service or something. Whatever it was didn't seem to matter up through whatever models I was considering, so I mostly ignored it. No problems here so far using a mix of non-Synology drives.
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man thank you for answering so fast. I'm driving myself CRAZY looking at details on this mess. I have an AMD 3700x w/ 16GB of RAM under my desk that's kind of redundant but I'd need to swap cases to add drives and go the TrueNAS route. I'd rather just throw drives in something existing (or buy assembled) and set it on a shelf. Guess it's going to go down to what's on sale around Black Friday/Cyber Monday.
Control
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yeah, can definitely save money rolling your own if you don't mind doing the extra tinkering, although it's also easy to spend more too if you can't resist overbuilding hehe. I always have a hard time resisting the incremental upgrades.