NBA 2014 Off-Season Thread

Slaythe

Slaythe

<Bronze Donator>
3,389
141
Angelwatch_sl said:
I disagree because time is on our side. Minnesota is in a position where they have to trade Love or risk getting nothing for him. I think they got too greedy with their demands wanting Wiggins, Bennett, a couple 1st round picks, a new puppy and a lolly pop. If it was straight up Wiggins for Love, I'd have been more inclined to make the trade but they were asking to get the moon for a player who is going to walk at the end of the year anyway.
Click to expand...
Have to match salary.

The crazy thing about this move to me is LeBron's contract situation. He's already jumped from decent situations twice in his career. He has a two year contract. Sure, he gave them every assurance in the world he would re-sign long term after the cap jumps, but lets say Wiggins develops slowly (I'm never going to deny this kid's potential but you seeing him as a 21 year old all star, while not unprecedented, is pretty lofty expectation) and Kyrie doesn't bounce back from what was qualitatively a disappointing third year, and suddenly LeBron is staring down 33 and ending with only two championships. Are you really going to tell me he doesn't bolt...or at least there isn't potential for him to bolt?

I think the Cavs are absolutely-fucking-insane for rolling the dice on that. Love and LeBron would probably be the best duo in the league. Maybe Wiggins is one of the best players in the league...in 6 years when LeBron is 35 and playing for the Thunder.
 
Foggy

Foggy

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
6,290
4,877
Slaythe_sl said:
Have to match salary.

The crazy thing about this move to me is LeBron's contract situation. He's already jumped from decent situations twice in his career. He has a two year contract. Sure, he gave them every assurance in the world he would re-sign long term after the cap jumps, but lets say Wiggins develops slowly (I'm never going to deny this kid's potential but you seeing him as a 21 year old all star, while not unprecedented, is pretty lofty expectation) and Kyrie doesn't bounce back from what was qualitatively a disappointing third year, and suddenly LeBron is staring down 33 and ending with only two championships. Are you really going to tell me he doesn't bolt...or at least there isn't potential for him to bolt?

I think the Cavs are absolutely-fucking-insane for rolling the dice on that. Love and LeBron would probably be the best duo in the league. Maybe Wiggins is one of the best players in the league...in 6 years when LeBron is 35 and playing for the Thunder.
Click to expand...
^This. LeBron is 29 and Wiggins is 19. The Cavs need to stop acting like they have all the time in the world. The end of LeBron's prime is rapidly approaching.
 
Ambiturner

Ambiturner

Ssraeszha Raider
16,040
19,503
Slaythe_sl said:
Have to match salary.

The crazy thing about this move to me is LeBron's contract situation. He's already jumped from decent situations twice in his career. He has a two year contract. Sure, he gave them every assurance in the world he would re-sign long term after the cap jumps, but lets say Wiggins develops slowly (I'm never going to deny this kid's potential but you seeing him as a 21 year old all star, while not unprecedented, is pretty lofty expectation) and Kyrie doesn't bounce back from what was qualitatively a disappointing third year, and suddenly LeBron is staring down 33 and ending with only two championships. Are you really going to tell me he doesn't bolt...or at least there isn't potential for him to bolt?

I think the Cavs are absolutely-fucking-insane for rolling the dice on that. Love and LeBron would probably be the best duo in the league. Maybe Wiggins is one of the best players in the league...in 6 years when LeBron is 35 and playing for the Thunder.
Click to expand...
Pretty much agree with all of it. You roll the dice hoping Wiggins can at least be as good as Love, but probably not for a few years when Lebron is declining. Why not take the guy who definitely is as good today while Lebron's in his prime?
 
Djay

Djay

Trakanon Raider
2,306
356
I agree...the Cavs should try to win now before Bruno and Valanciunas hit their primes.
 
Slaythe

Slaythe

<Bronze Donator>
3,389
141
Also, Angelwatch, you understand that him signing doesn't mean a trade won't happen, right? The title of that article is incredibly misleading. In fact, they might have a deal in agreement where Cleveland gives up less core players, but needed to sign Wiggins to make the salary work (Wiggins cap hold doesn't count in trades until he is signed).
 
Slaythe

Slaythe

<Bronze Donator>
3,389
141
Angelwatch_sl said:
Minnesota is in a position where they have to trade Love or risk getting nothing for him.
Click to expand...
I'm beating a dead horse here, but these comments really annoy me. It seems to be the collective opinion of Cavs fans that if they just wait around we'll finally cave and give up Love for their shit assets because that's "better than nothing." That's completely wrong. I don't want to pay Anthony Bennett 6 million dollars a year for the next 4 years and I don't want to pay Waiters 5 million for the next 3. Neither of those guys are "core" guys and as such neither matters in the grand scheme of things. The team is in the same place doing that trade or not doing it: Bottoming out in the lottery.

While it's true that Love is leaving and that mitigates our leverage in the scenario, the Cavs literally have zero leverage. There is no scenario where Love can demand his way to your team and we have to comply just like there is no scenario where you wait us out and sign him outright next year. Fans have seen sign and trades for years and think the signing team has control in all situations. That isn't true. You'd have control if Love was an UFA, Love demands to be traded to the Cavs, and the Cavs have the cap space to sign him. Those last two mean the Cavs are signing him no matter what and in that situation we have zero leverage and probably flip him to you guys in a S&T for a draft pick.

In this situation, we can without question ensure that Love does not play his next contract in a Cavs uniform. I don't know why the collective fan base believes they hold all the cards in this scenario. It's like they read "lose Love for nothing" then disregard completely how free agency works in the NBA. The time isn't on your side. You give up Wiggins or you don't get Love.
 
Angelwatch

Angelwatch

Trakanon Raider
3,053
133
Slaythe_sl said:
Also, Angelwatch, you understand that him signing doesn't mean a trade won't happen, right? The title of that article is incredibly misleading. In fact, they might have a deal in agreement where Cleveland gives up less core players, but needed to sign Wiggins to make the salary work (Wiggins cap hold doesn't count in trades until he is signed).
Click to expand...
If they sign him, they can't trade Wiggins for 30 days. So yes it could happen later but he's locked in for 30 days.

Like I said, I don't oppose trading Wiggins for Love but Minnesota simply wants too much for Love. Hell I'll even throw in Waiters because Kyrie and Waiters don't get along. I don't blame them because they clearly know we want him and they know they're going to lose him come next season so they want to get as much out of him as possible. But I just don't think we should give up everything under the sun for the guy.
 
Angelwatch

Angelwatch

Trakanon Raider
3,053
133
Last thing I'm gonna say on the issue is that while the Cav's front office has been incredibly inept over the past decade, the one thing they've never been afraid of is spending money or making big moves. Dan Gilbert might be a douche at times (i.e. his letter) but he's willing to spend money and make some crazy ass trades to make moves happen. Mind you that strategy hasn't always panned out but I prefer an owner who can and will do just that instead of sitting on a pile of cash while things fall apart around him.
 
Convo

Convo

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
8,765
617
Cavs have no advantage in this. Wolves can keep love till Deadline and possibly have more teams who think they are contenders fighting over him. Cavs most likely will be a playoff team, but will need a guy like love to go deep. so expect them to want love in February as well...
 
LiquidDeath

LiquidDeath

Magnus Deadlift the Fucktiger
5,034
11,828
God dammit. We've traded annoying, unbearable Heat fans for annoying, soon-to-be-unbearable Cavs fans.
 
Angelwatch

Angelwatch

Trakanon Raider
3,053
133
Well if it's any consolation, a lot of Cavs fans are actually fans of the Cavs where a lot of Heat fans were fans of Lebron.
 
Alex

Alex

Still a Music Elitist
14,652
7,474
Everyone will recognize Sean Kilpatrick should have been drafted before Napier.
 
Convo

Convo

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
8,765
617
Wuyley_sl said:
What happens then?
Click to expand...
That's when all the early draft picks finally come together and gel! We have one more year of tanking for a lottery. 2018 should have all the fruits of our tanking on the court at the same time with NBA experience under them.
 
Convo

Convo

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
8,765
617
Ambiturner_sl said:
Not sure if that's real or a joke and which one would be funnier
Click to expand...
It's essentially the year that will determine if the Sixers had the right plan in place. Think about it, Noel is back this year after sitting all of last year so he's a rookie this year.. Embiid out all of this season and Saric is overseas for 2 years. Next year they will get another lottery pick, possibly again the following year. 2017 Season, Will be the first season that Noel, Carter Williams, Embiid and Saric actually play together in a NBA game. Add the next 2 years lottery picks to that equation and we should have a decent team by 2018. Assuming these players stay on the sixers and are healthy.
 
W

Wuyley_sl

shitlord
1,443
13
Convo_sl said:
It's essentially the year that will determine if the Sixers had the right plan in place. Think about it, Noel is back this year after sitting all of last year so he's a rookie this year.. Embiid out all of this season and Saric is overseas for 2 years. Next year they will get another lottery pick, possibly again the following year. 2017 Season, Will be the first season that Noel, Carter Williams, Embiid and Saric actually play together in a NBA game. Add the next 2 years lottery picks to that equation and we should have a decent team by 2018. Assuming these players stay on the sixers and are healthy.
Click to expand...
checkmate.jpg
 
Slaythe

Slaythe

<Bronze Donator>
3,389
141
I'm with you, but the plan goes even longer than that. It's not like a group of 23 year olds is going to win a championship. I like what they're doing. The real test will be keeping that team together once their rookie deals come up. That's far enough away to not be a huge worry right now though.
 
Convo

Convo

Ahn'Qiraj Raider
8,765
617
Slaythe_sl said:
I'm with you, but the plan goes even longer than that. It's not like a group of 23 year olds is going to win a championship. I like what they're doing. The real test will be keeping that team together once their rookie deals come up. That's far enough away to not be a huge worry right now though.
Click to expand...
Absolutely. I'm not expecting a championship that year. I just think we will know what we have by then. We need a young SG now and we're looking good. Hopefully one pops up in the next draft. I really wanted Wiggens :-/
 
You must log in or register to reply here.