NBA 2015-2016 Season thread

I was a fan of Steph Curry back in 2010, about a year after he was drafted. I said he'd end up being the best point guard and shooter in the NBA, and he exceeded those expectations by being the best player in the league. I think when it's all said and done, if he's not injured, he'll go down as the GOAT. (This fall last year during the playoffs was brutal. Not only could he have been injured, but he could have had a lifelong crippling injury:Stephen Currys scary fall - head injury vs Rockets (Game 4) - YouTube)

Now, I say GOAT because I think Jordan is one of the most overrated players in the history of professional sports. This video sums up my feelings:Michael Jordan was Overrated Part 1 - YouTube
The fact that the guy couldn't carry his teams to the playoffs without other otherworldly talent, in an era with a watered down league, is kind of crazy. Pippen had a much higher PER and impact on the court, and his team outscored the opponents far more with him out there than they ever did with Jordan.

Curry can carry a team. His team without him on the court isn't even a playoff contender, but with him out there it jumps to one of the best in the league. The guy can carry them, like Lebron can carry his. Jordan was never able to.

Wilt is the GOAT. NBA changed rules bc of that guy

Convo_sl said:

Wilt is the GOAT. NBA changed rules bc of that guy

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Ain't got shit on George Mikan

Woolygimp_sl said:

I was a fan of Steph Curry back in 2010, about a year after he was drafted. I said he'd end up being the best point guard and shooter in the NBA, and he exceeded those expectations by being the best player in the league. I think when it's all said and done, if he's not injured, he'll go down as the GOAT. (This fall last year during the playoffs was brutal. Not only could he have been injured, but he could have had a lifelong crippling injury:Stephen Currys scary fall - head injury vs Rockets (Game 4) - YouTube)

Now, I say GOAT because I think Jordan is one of the most overrated players in the history of professional sports. This video sums up my feelings:Michael Jordan was Overrated Part 1 - YouTube
The fact that the guy couldn't carry his teams to the playoffs without other otherworldly talent, in an era with a watered down league, is kind of crazy. Pippen had a much higher PER and impact on the court, and his team outscored the opponents far more with him out there than they ever did with Jordan.

Curry can carry a team. His team without him on the court isn't even a playoff contender, but with him out there it jumps to one of the best in the league. The guy can carry them, like Lebron can carry his. Jordan was never able to.

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lol says Jordan needed "otherwordly" talent and ignores the fact that Steph plays with another historically great shooter in Thompson and Draymond is putting up a monster year.

Calling Jordan one of the most overrated during the shitshow that is the "this is your life" season for Kobe is next level trolling. Fucking Steph Curry hipster.

Bob Book_sl said:

lol says Jordan needed "otherwordly" talent and ignores the fact that Steph plays with another historically great shooter in Thompson and Draymond is putting up a monster year.

Calling Jordan one of the most overrated during the shitshow that is the "this is your life" season for Kobe is next level trolling. Fucking Steph Curry hipster.

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Thompson and Draymond suck with Curry not on the floor. Jordan has not accomplished anything by himself, and he has never made his team better. Ever. Going by stats, Pippen had FAR more impact than Jordan. The bulls were successful without Jordan, they (and the Wizards) were not successful without Pippen.

And I'm not a hipster when I repeatedly told non-beleivers that Curry would be the best shooter the game has ever seen, far before the Warriors won the championship.

And cmon, Wilt played against short white guys. You have to look at the level of competition to judge how good someone is. The league has more talent today than at any other time in history.

Swede Halbrook played at that time and was 7'3. Why wasn't he the best ever? There weren't a lot of giants in the NBA back then b/c the big men just weren't very good. There was nothing like Wilt before him and he set the standard for big men going forward.

Curry is really good but to call him GOAT is way premature. Guys like Wilt and Jordan did it for a long time. He needs to accomplish more. And I'd to see him win with a guy like Klay or Green out for the playoff run.

Draymond does not suck without Curry on the floor. It's not even that common for Green to be out there and Curry not. They usually are on at the same time. Green is definitely the second most important player on the team. Sure, he's not exactly a scorer, but the dude has phenomenal court vision and he's a defensive stalwart who can make big men like DeAndre look shitty. Thompson can be hit or miss. He's a bit too streaky, but he's also the guy the can carry the scoring load while Curry is on the bench. Look at last night and the ATL game before that. He was scoring pretty much all the points while Curry was on the bench.

But I do agree that, generally, without Curry on the court the Warriors are a bottom three seed at best.

Woolygimp_sl said:

Thompson and Draymond suck with Curry not on the floor. Jordan has not accomplished anything by himself, and he has never made his team better. Ever. Going by stats, Pippen had FAR more impact than Jordan. The bulls were successful without Jordan, they (and the Wizards) were not successful without Pippen.

And I'm not a hipster when I repeatedly told non-beleivers that Curry would be the best shooter the game has ever seen, far before the Warriors won the championship.

And cmon, Wilt played against short white guys. You have to look at the level of competition to judge how good someone is. The league has more talent today than at any other time in history.

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By what metric were the Bulls "successful" without Jordan, but not without Pippen?

Ambiturner_sl said:

By what metric were the Bulls "successful" without Jordan, but not without Pippen?

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# of chairs thrown.

Fuck Derrick Rose btw.. That dick head was saying how he feels like he's back to his old self.. I ran him in a few lineups last night and the dude was a last second scratch with hammy issue. He said he's back THE SAME FUCKING DAY !!

D Rose has always been a giant vagina. Refusing to play for months after being cleared by your Dr. is some pussy shit. It's ridiculous how much of a pass he got for that

Convo_sl said:

And I'd to see him win with a guy like Klay or Green out for the playoff run.

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Why? How many all-time greats won a title when the 2nd or 3rd best player on their team was out for the playoffs? I'm having a hard time thinking of one off the top of my head. Jordan's teams were always pretty healthy I think. Magic won that finals game 7 without Kareem, which was impressive as s*&t cause that's the hardest game to win, but it was just one game. Kareem only won when he either had Magic or the Big-O. Russel always had stacked teams. Wilt only won with West and Baylor. Nobody ever does it without the best players on their team being able to play.

Lebron made a jab earlier this season about the Warriors being one of the healthiest teams he's ever seen, but if you look throughout history, the champs are usually mostly healthy teams with at least one or two other very good to great players (that did not get hurt.) So I wouldn't mind seeing Steph win a title like that, but it wouldn't be something to hold against him if he couldn't win without one of those guys. It's not like the other greats really did it.

Pharazon_sl said:

Why? How many all-time greats won a title when the 2nd or 3rd best player on their team was out for the playoffs? I'm having a hard time thinking of one off the top of my head. Jordan's teams were always pretty healthy I think. Magic won that finals game 7 without Kareem, which was impressive as s*&t cause that's the hardest game to win, but it was just one game. Kareem only won when he either had Magic or the Big-O. Russel always had stacked teams. Wilt only won with West and Baylor. Nobody ever does it without the best players on their team being able to play.

Lebron made a jab earlier this season about the Warriors being one of the healthiest teams he's ever seen, but if you look throughout history, the champs are usually mostly healthy teams with at least one or two other very good to great players (that did not get hurt.) So I wouldn't mind seeing Steph win a title like that, but it wouldn't be something to hold against him if he couldn't win without one of those guys. It's not like the other greats really did it.

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B/C if you're going to call him GOAT so early in his career, that's the shit he's going to have to do to pass a player like Jordan. I don't see him separating himself from the pack any other way this early..

C'mon, look at David Lee. Curry made him look pretty damn good, he gets traded to the Celtics and gets waived. Waived from a team in the middle of a rebuild...

Curry has to stay healthy, and play like this for a few more years, if he really wants to be an all-time great. He has the potential, there's no doubt. And on the subject of Kareem, he was the man.

Curry having one of those nights. 42 points last night. 46 points tonight and the fourth quarter hasn't started yet. 9/13 from three - one of which from near half court as the quarter ended. Four more threes to break the record for a single game.

Curry is helped by having a skill set that fits perfectly into the style of the league. Curry isn't doing much to change the league with his dominance, though, simply taking advantage of it. Jordan played in a league that wasn't exactly friendly to his skill set in the same way it would be now. Just like I don't think we'll ever see another center that we'll discuss using terms like GOAT or dominant, because that's just not the NBA of today, and as great as a center can be these days the argument will always be that they didn't dominate in the paint when the league was more physical and had more competitive big men.

I don't think I could ever say Curry is GOAT until he was a lights out shooter in a period that everything wasn't slanted toward that exact style of play. I guess it's the old argument that Jordan today would be unstoppable, and he was nearly unstoppable in an era where he'd get knocked to the ground as a matter of course. Just like I don't think we'd see the same Curry if he were playing during Jordan's era.

I think the safer bet and more valid discussion is players being the best of their era. Jordan defined his era. He is the players others of the same era default to. Will Curry be that for this era? Quite possibly. I still think Durant has a chance to claim that crown, though, depending of course too much on championships won in the end.

Steph in NBA jam en fuego mode tonight. Just banked in a 3 from half-court at the end of the 3rd - now has 46, 9 for 12 on 3's. They've needed it, he's the only one having a game on O tonight.