NFL 2015-2016 Season Thread

Column_sl said:

Did someone link the Eli reaction vine yet

https://vine.co/v/i1vzT9ZPTWH

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For some reason this video makes me an Eli fan now.

With the Cowboys O-line, they'd have run the ball down Denver's throat and thrown all over them.

Romo'd have so much time in the pocket he'd be able to text Dez "throwing 2 u lol"

Lenardo_sl said:

didn't i say the 85 bears were #1 defense? they Were dominating for That era.

those SAME guys TODAY (time travel scenario) vs a very good offensive line and a very good QB-patriots last year, green bay a few years ago, etc(teams with great offensive lines and a great QB that excell at quick passes). that defense would get shredded via the quick strike pass/slant since the league has learned how to deal with that style of defense.

on to next year... Vegas currently has the patriots and steelers as the favorite to represent the AFC for the next superbowl (both at 8-1 odds) followed by the bengals and broncos at 14-1.

seattle(8-1) cardinals green bay and carolina (all 3 at 10-1 odds) for the NFC

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In the time travel scenario Singletary would have ripped the head off of anyone running a slant. Dude was just amazing. That slant would have gotten yards once or twice before receivers would have refused to run it By the second half no OLine today would be able to hold back the pure power and strength of Hampton or Dent.

Also, Jeff Fisher was hurt that year, imagine if he played. Best Head Coach and Player all time! Just think what they did with an injured Fisher!

I love my Steelers but I doubt they are AFC Champs next year. They have way too many guys on the free agency list. They won't be able to keep them all or replace them but that's a topic for the off season thread.

That's false Arcaus. The size of NFL players today blows players from even 15 years ago away. Sports medicine is ridiculous.

Uber Uberest_sl said:

Why would wives in Boston get beat, the Broncos beat Carolina. If you think Pats fans hate Manning, you're wrong. We hate Eli, yes, but Peyton has been the whipping boy for Brady, I'm glad he won.

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Brahma_sl said:

What he said. Eli we despise. Pey Pey we love playing him!

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lol Patriots have lost to Peyton every time they've played in the playoffs since 2005.

Face it, Brady is (both) Manning's bitch.

Ambiturner_sl said:

Seriously, people comparing pure stats are retarded when there have been so many rule changes to help offenses and protect QBs.

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I'm pretty sure Jim McMahon still has a concussion from being slammed to the ground long after the play was over by Charles Martin.

I read an article awhile ago about the greatest defenses comparing them, idk where it is I cant find it.

But it had an insane breakdown of all the great defenses, and the conclusion it came up with would shock pretty much everyone, but one I agreed with after reading it. The 1991 Philadelphia Eagles with a slight edge over I think the 76 Steelers/85 Bears which are the two most point to.

Simply because they had insane stats and it took into account the rankings of the offenses teams played against and other things like a teams offensive rushing rank which made their defense play less snaps/time on the field. That first part was the knock on the 2000 Ravens, most of the offenses they played were in the bottom of the half of the league and many in the very bottom. I mean, the Ravens could only beat who they played, so its not their fault....but its not as impressive as the 91 Eagles who had legendary defensive numbers on top of a bad rushing attack on their team and who did it playing almost all of the top offenses in the NFL that year. Losing your franchise QB week 1 does that I guess. Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons and Reggie White was just so nasty.

Impressively to me, 2/3 of those 3 were Buddy Ryan defenses. In the case of the Eagles in 91, you had Bud Carson come in and take over after Buddy Ryan was fired (he is the guy who designed the Steel Curtain defense) and then combined its strengths with Ryans famed 46 defense which was already in place. If that team doesnt lose Randall Cunningham in week 1, Philly might have won it all. Its also hilarious watching video of any of those defenses, by todays standards half the players would be fined/suspended for the kind of hits those teams delivered week in and out.

This is an interesting take on the best SB defenses -Ranking Superbowl Defenses. It ranks the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, 02 Bucs, 08 Steelers, 13 Seahawks, and the 15 Broncos based on DVOA, YPG and PPG vs average for other teams that season. Their take is the 02 Bucs were the best of that group, which is arguable. I think the 85 Bears, the 02 Bucs, the 00 Ravens, and the 08 Steelers are damn close in a ton of the stats they tracked, making it hard to claim "the best"

I thought it was a good game. Neither offense was all that great but Peyton did what he had to do. He's a very smart player with a really high football IQ and he understood his own limitations and played accordingly. You can't make a case for him being the "best QB ever" based on that game's performance but he played smart by not doing anything stupid. Cam, on the other hand, looked rattled from the get go. He never faced any real adversity up until this point and just couldn't stand up to the task.

But overall it was a very good game. Defense might not be as "fun" as a high scoring, high octane, offense shoot out but it was amazing to watch in it's own way.

I have a hard time buying the greatest defense of all time couldn't make the playoffs.

Ambiturner_sl said:

I have a hard time buying the greatest defense of all time couldn't make the playoffs.

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That's because you're a moron.

Phazael_sl said:

There have actually been a lot of amazing Ds that did not make the post season, due to the extreme ineptitude of their offense. In the modern era, the Texans and Rams spring immediately to mind, with great years at D but with anemic offences that could not even put up the ten to 14 points needed to win. Buddy Ryan era Eagles were a lot like that and they also played in what was easily the toughest division of football at that time. The Bucs languished for years with horrid offense before they finally got a title, as well. But yeah, in most cases if your D is top tier the offense keeping you off of the field has something to do with it. I think the Denver D Line might be the second greatest ever assembled (behind the 80s Bears), but I think the GOAT Ds were likely the Steel Curtain or MAYBE the Seattle squad from two years ago, who essentially played themselves out of a job and got dismantled when Wilson and Lynch gobbled all the cap space. Longest sustained elite D has to be the Steel Curtain, though.

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Rams have a good front 4 but have never been in the top 10 in ppg recently for defense. The rams have been one or two corners away from being very good for a few years now. The two best sustained defenses of all time are the Steel Curtain and the Purple People eaters, Steel Curtain gets the edge for the 4 Superbowl rings, but the fact these two defenses played in the same era is amazing to me. Seattle is probably the best sustained defense in the modern era right now.

Denver's defense is probably one step below the GOAT discussion, 85 bears, 71 Vikings, 75 Steelers, 02 Bucs, and the 2013 Seahawks are probably the only 5 truly deserving of the discussion for GOAT.

Arcaus_sl said:

So people pass more and the defense has sacks and that is surprising? That's like saying you are shocked there are very few droughts in Seattle. The 84 Bears had 10 sacks in two post season games and the 85 Bears had 16 in 3 post season games. The 85 Bears had 66 sacks on the season. So the 84-85 Bears eclipsed the Broncos defense two years in a row in a game where people passed less.

The mid-80's Bears pass rush was unreal and shits on the Broncos pass rush.

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When I say age of the passing game, I mean how much better QB's and offenses across the entire league and not just one or two teams are at getting rid of the ball quicker. People generally assume Brady has one of the quickest releases in the game and they were all over him 2 weeks ago, Cam for most of the season (maybe all of it?) was averaging the most yards in the air per pass, implying he was holding on to it longer and he was only sacked 33 times during the regular season (his lowest total ever). What they did is impressive, and it's not just the sack totals but the sheer number of drop backs that resulted in pressures/hits/knockdowns.

Fennin_sl said:

Rams have a good front 4 but have never been in the top 10 in ppg recently for defense. The rams have been one or two corners away from being very good for a few years now. The two best sustained defenses of all time are the Steel Curtain and the Purple People eaters, Steel Curtain gets the edge for the 4 Superbowl rings, but the fact these two defenses played in the same era is amazing to me. Seattle is probably the best sustained defense in the modern era right now.

Denver's defense is probably one step below the GOAT discussion, 85 bears, 71 Vikings, 75 Steelers, 02 Bucs, and the 2013 Seahawks are probably the only 5 truly deserving of the discussion for GOAT.

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As much as I hate to defend them, but 2000 Ravens have to be in the discussion as well.

Genjiro_sl said:

That's because you're a moron.

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No, dude, you're right. You read a blog from an Eagles fan so they'll totally the best team of all team

Merrith_sl said:

As much as I hate to defend them, but 2000 Ravens have to be in the discussion as well.

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Ravens put up 4 shutouts, gave up 165 total points (10.3 ppg), and allowed only 60 rushing yards per game during the regular season. During their 4 game playoff run, they only gave up 1 whole touchdown and 16 total points. That's 4 points per game against playoff teams.

But hey that 91 Philly team almost made a wildcard! Just ask Genj, he read a blog about it