NFL 2016 Offseason Thread - Fins' Quest to Defend Their Crown

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Man, mock drafts are all over the place this year with the QBs especially. If Pittsburgh doesnt draft corner/safety in rounds 1/2 they are fucked.

Any Ohio State bros in here tell me about Eli Apple? I saw a highlight vid, but everyone looks good in those but I see him mocked to us a lot along with Darian Thompson from Boise St.
 
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opiate82_sl said:
The problem with looking at career-length averages is they include players who are out the game involuntarily. My concern is more of the players who are voluntarily leaving the game. Players under the age of 30 choosing to retire is on a steep increasing trend with just 5 such retirements happening in 2011 in contrast with 19 in 2015. Many of these early retirements also include the messages of how brutal the game is on their bodies, and yes include some very well known "superstars."

Now this could just be a symptom of the fact that there is a lot more money in the NFL currently so it is easier from a financial standpoint for a NFL player to retire early. However, each one of these early retirements includes a damning message about health being the #1 reason for walking away. If you have both talented players leaving the game early plus you have parents/kids/young adults choosing to not play (or let their kids play) football because of all the negative publicity about concussions/injuries/etc. you are losing athletic talent at both ends of the spectrum and you'd have to think that eventually will lead to a diluted product on the field.
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Sorry, didn't realize you were ignoring anything that didn't help you make a mountain out of a molehill. Now I do.
 
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Sorry, didn't realize you were ignoring anything that didn't help you make a mountain out of a molehill. Now I do.
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Seriously?

I was just hypothesizing and asking how others thoughts on how these issues might affect the NFL down the line. I mean I think we have already seen the effects of "player safety" rules on the current product. If you disagree that's cool I guess but I have a really hard time seeing how someone who has been a long time NFL fan can't see how player safety concerns have not already had a meaningful impact to the product on the field. Personally my concern at this point is if the rules continue to fundamentally shift how the game is played or what impact that, and/or all the negative player-safety stories will have on the game.

I'm not saying that player safety should be ignored, I'm just worried that it either goes too far and the game itself is nerfed into the ground or it doesn't go far enough and the game scares away potential top athletes. Do you really think that these aren't issues the NFL, in it's current state, faces? Do you really think these high profile early retirements do not cause potential future NFLers to rethink football as their sport of choice?
 
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I'm saying that I'm not convinced that high profile early retirements are on the increase. Do you have a list handy of who has early retired lately? Were they all 49ers? Where do they fit into the averages I already posted?

You could say player safety has negatively impacted the product on the field, but I think the bigger issue is morons trying to get out in front of non existent problems. I'm not talking about you here, I'm talking about shit like banning celebrations, horse collar tackles, putting a lick on a reciever, anyone who makes a SJW butthurt, personalizing uniforms, and putting a tutu on QBs. Some of those are player safety, some are not.

BTW, I expect technology to catch up with how big and strong players are pretty soon which will allow them to hit even harder
 
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Article on NFL.com about Eddie Lacy

Sirmans has already witnessed Lacy's drive to improve in 2016.

"You can tell he's very hungry this year," said Sirmans, via the Green Bay Press-Gazette.
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Well played, new GB rb coach, well played.
 
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opiate82_sl said:
Seriously?

I was just hypothesizing and asking how others thoughts on how these issues might affect the NFL down the line. I mean I think we have already seen the effects of "player safety" rules on the current product. If you disagree that's cool I guess but I have a really hard time seeing how someone who has been a long time NFL fan can't see how player safety concerns have not already had a meaningful impact to the product on the field. Personally my concern at this point is if the rules continue to fundamentally shift how the game is played or what impact that, and/or all the negative player-safety stories will have on the game.

I'm not saying that player safety should be ignored, I'm just worried that it either goes too far and the game itself is nerfed into the ground or it doesn't go far enough and the game scares away potential top athletes. Do you really think that these aren't issues the NFL, in it's current state, faces? Do you really think these high profile early retirements do not cause potential future NFLers to rethink football as their sport of choice?
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I'm sure there will be a few high profile players that retire earlier due to concerns. I also think it will be a convenient excuse for players who don't have the drive anymore or don't want to take the ego hit of being cut/taking a huge pay reduction when their skills decline.

In the grand scheme of things it will probably have an effect, but minimal when looking at the league as a whole.
 
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Carson Wentz at #2 there, as a former Fargo ND resident, I respect the NDSU love. Would be awesome to see him excel in the NFL, though it certainly won't happen if he goes to the Browns.
 
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opiate82_sl said:
Lynch, Johnson, Mayo?
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Only 3? I thought you said 20.

Didn't all 3 of these guys have injury problems? Not exactly what I thought you were talking about.

8, 8, and 7 years. Not too far off the average for pro-bowlers.
 
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That is this year (so far) and only big names. 19 last year and not all 49ers. A big one (non-Niner) off the top of my head from last year would be Jake Locker. He hadn't lived up to the #8 overall draft pick billing but had done enough to continue to have a substantial career in the NFL as a QB but decided to hang it up instead.

And of course they had "injury problems" that is the whole point I'm trying to make, right? NFL is brutal on the body so much so that players would rather retire early and leave money on the table than risk further damage to their bodies. That message gets sent down to kids and parents of kids who might play football.
 
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So you are saying I should be happy with a shitty product? How does that work
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Do you not enjoy college football? I thought you sucked Oregon's dong pretty regularly. Even if the talent level shifts down to that level (which would take a long damn time), would you not enjoy watching it?
 
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opiate82_sl said:
That is this year (so far) and only big names. 19 last year and not all 49ers. A big one (non-Niner) off the top of my head from last year would be Jake Locker. He hadn't lived up to the #8 overall draft pick billing but had done enough to continue to have a substantial career in the NFL as a QB but decided to hang it up instead.

And of course they had "injury problems" that is the whole point I'm trying to make, right? NFL is brutal on the body so much so that players would rather retire early and leave money on the table than risk further damage to their bodies. That message gets sent down to kids and parents of kids who might play football.
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I thought you were saying they were retiring because of fear of future injuries. Like they're a bunch of pussies nowadays. Or maybe they're just smarter and coming into the league with the plan to get money and get out while they're still healthy.
 
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I think I have a pretty good idea on how to make the NFL and College Football much safer, without massively impacting the game.

They could create a new penalty, "Non-Wrapping Tackle". Any tackle or hit where the defender did not make an attempt to wrap his arms around the runner at the point of contact would incur a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the infraction. This would eliminate the "launch" style hits that cause so many injuries, not only from concussions but to the lower body.
 
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Lleauaric_sl said:
I think I have a pretty good idea on how to make the NFL and College Football much safer, while massively ruining the game.

They could create a new penalty, "Non-Wrapping Tackle". Any tackle or hit where the defender did not make an attempt to wrap his arms around the runner at the point of contact would incur a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the infraction. This would eliminate the "launch" style hits that cause so many injuries, not only from concussions but to the lower body.
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Albert Breer on Twitter: "The Rams announced they've released LB James Lauinaitis, DE Chris Long and TE Jared Cook."
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Amazing. Overpaid shit players getting cut finally.

Saves like 24 million on the cap. About fucking time.
 
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Lleauaric_sl said:
I think I have a pretty good idea on how to make the NFL and College Football much safer, without massively impacting the game.

They could create a new penalty, "Non-Wrapping Tackle". Any tackle or hit where the defender did not make an attempt to wrap his arms around the runner at the point of contact would incur a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the infraction. This would eliminate the "launch" style hits that cause so many injuries, not only from concussions but to the lower body.
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The bigger problem is all the micro concussions that linemen and backers are taking on every single snap. Football is fundamentally unsafe for people's brains and the NFL is shit scared that the soccer moms of the world will find this out more and more from the media, and then steadily stop letting their kids play, spelling a long term death of the sport. They love everyone focusing on "big hits" instead. So yeah, they would probably do that shit. "Look how safety now guyz, gud tackle form is for health!" Meanwhile, *crack* *crack* *crack* go those helmets, snap after brain jarring snap.
 
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Lleauaric_sl said:
I think I have a pretty good idea on how to make the NFL and College Football much safer, without massively impacting the game.

They could create a new penalty, "Non-Wrapping Tackle". Any tackle or hit where the defender did not make an attempt to wrap his arms around the runner at the point of contact would incur a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the infraction. This would eliminate the "launch" style hits that cause so many injuries, not only from concussions but to the lower body.
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Take away their helmets and pads. I doubt players will lead with their head or shoulders anymore.
 
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