NFL Postseason 2017 - Where Romo Gets His Ring

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As good as the first game was...this game was bad. How in the world do Steelers fans think FGs are going to stop the Patriots??!!! Lol, damn Pats got a free ride lol
 

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But that's not that safeties job. The linebacker/nickel corner etc or whoever has underneath coverage is supposed to bracket the receiver and do what you just said. The deep free safeties are typically there just to not to ever get beaten behind them in the endzone...ie keep the deepest receiver in front of you. Its how that bend not break zone system works, and why the Steelers led the league not giving up tds more than 20 yards. The Rams which you watch prolly the most, is a defense that GW blitzes a lot and relies on his corners and safeties to be aggressive in man coverage.

Like I said, if that receiver was not laid out mid air it wouldnt be an issue....I'd have to watch it again but its probably the fault of whoever had the underneath coverage. Just not much Davis can do in that situation except either let him go for the catch and hope he drops it, or take the penalty if he thinks the guy is going to get a touchdown (some would say thats dirty, but every coach would tell their player to do that in such a situation over giving up points).

Or see the deep guy running free to the end zone and come up faster to make a play. He's essentially giving up the big play by waiting too long. Sure, it's the underneaths guys fault (though it may not be in a zone defense) but that doesn't mean you're helpless to react to how the play is developing.
 

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The Chiefs were a tough team to watch this season. Even winning 12 games, they almost never looked that dominant. You never really felt that confident watching them.
 

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I realize Yesterday was an eternity ago in internet years, but people do remember that out of the 8 teams that played this weekend, the Falcons were the only ones who looked like they wanted to win, right?
 

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Or see the deep guy running free to the end zone and come up faster to make a play. He's essentially giving up the big play by waiting too long. Sure, it's the underneaths guys fault (though it may not be in a zone defense) but that doesn't mean you're helpless to react to how the play is developing.
I think what youre missing is how that play developed. The receiver is coming headfirst right at the defender. If that route was say, a corner route and not a seam route he would be attacking the player from the side and not head on. When hes airborne like that? Im curious what you mean by "coming up faster to make a play". Its two players coming at one another head on because the underneath coverage got beat and now the safety has to come up and be the last line of defense. If the receiver was on his feet? Could easily hit his midsection etc.....but when hes laid out like that? Its just a no win situation for the safety there.

Seriously not being salty. Just explain to me how the safety is supposed to defend that specific set of circumstances without hitting a defenseless receiver?
 

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He makes a play on a ball that's in the air for several seconds by coming up faster. I don't think you're being salty, I just don't agree with you that his only option was to wait and make the play he made.

(and without looking at the play again, I suspect he probably got too deep by dropping to the end zone which I'd guess he probably did because it's an easy place to figure out where you are)
 

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Steelers haven't really looked good in a little while. They haven't blown anyone out but a really weak and injured Miami team since before Thanksgiving. A LOT of really close games where the score rarely hit the upper 20s much less the 30s. This looks like Brady resting in the 4th?
 

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I think what youre missing is how that play developed. The receiver is coming headfirst right at the defender. If that route was say, a corner route and not a seam route he would be attacking the player from the side and not head on. When hes airborne like that? Im curious what you mean by "coming up faster to make a play". Its two players coming at one another head on because the underneath coverage got beat and now the safety has to come up and be the last line of defense. If the receiver was on his feet? Could easily hit his midsection etc.....but when hes laid out like that? Its just a no win situation for the safety there.

Seriously not being salty. Just explain to me how the safety is supposed to defend that specific set of circumstances without hitting a defenseless receiver?

As an impartial observer to this game, I'm more worried about Pittsburgh NOT playing this aggressive next week. I would actually prefer to see a couple early penalties to make NE's offense a little uncomfortable. If there's one freaking game where people would call you dirty, vs. NE is it.

I just feel like the Steelers are gonna play soft and get wrecked trying to play catch up the whole game.
 

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He makes a play on a ball that's in the air for several seconds by coming up faster. I don't think you're being salty, I just don't agree with you that his only option was to wait and make the play he made.
Ok now I see what youre saying.

There are VERY few guys who play free safety that I have ever seen who have the read and react skills like that consistently to defend passes like you are saying. Offenses and good QBs spend thousands of hours practicing the timing with their receivers to hit those soft spots in a zone or in between zones...or the "small windows" you always hear announcers referring to.

Ed Reeds with that kind of speed dont grow on trees, and its why you rarely see guys making those kinds of plays from that position because you arent like a corner locked up in a small zone.....its called center field for a reason and you have to try and watch the QB and have to react to either side of the field. Sean Davis is a pretty good rookie, but Ed Reed he is not....and the offense is always going to have the advantage in that situation. Like I said, the onus is on the guy in underneath coverage because he can be way more aggressive in defending the pass as you are referring to since he does have a safety over the top. Smith put the ball out a little bit too far, so you have to keep that in mind. If it was on the money it hits the receiver in stride, and Davis likely hits the guy with a normal tackle and no penalty, shrug. Not even saying the penalty was undeserved, because thats the rule. I just dont see what he could have done really minus being Ed Reed-esque who had the speed and reaction to make those spectacular plays when their guys get beat. Talk about a luxury knowing you had a guy like him, or hell, Berry, on the backend so you can be more aggressive.
 
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Kansas City was the bigger threat to the Pats if you looked at current team comp to be sure.
 

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Historically, the Packers have owned the Falcons in post season, but its been a while since we have played in the playoffs. Just like Dallas, they beat us when we were sucking, but by a lesser margin. The Falcons have not played a quality opponent since week 13 (a loss to the Chiefs) and had an incredibly soft schedule facing Carr and Rodgers but just about no other high end QBs, so its really hard to gauge them. But they could very easily fall into the same trap Dallas did. I don't think they are as strong of an opponent as Dallas, but the scare Seattle gave them means they will be more mentally prepared, so I am thinking the same coin flip odds in this one. Either way, it looks to be a good game and likely a shootout.
 

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Not really sure how you come to this conclusion.
That's what he wants to believe. Hard for me to understand how this victory on teh road against a much much better team than the Texans isn't impressive, but whatever.

They were terrible in the red zone, is that going to continue to happen? Who knows.
 

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Btw just for discussion sake heres the video.

Watch Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Kansas City Chiefs [01/15/2017] - NFL.com

William Gay(22) fucked up and came up to double Hill who was already covered and let Conley have a free run when Burns already had outside leverage on whatever receiver is at the top of the screen. Steelers were in Cover 2 and Conley was completely wide open up the seam and there was no underneath coverage since Gay blew his assignment. Davis was fucked, nothing he could do
 

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Yeah everyone outside of MO knew that team was a paper tiger. They played a declining AFC West and have one of the worst game management coaches in the history of the game. Smith is a decent QB for protecting the ball, but not for taking it to the opposing secondary. If they get the running game and secondary issues sorted out, they should have another good run next year (the rest of the division is fucked next year) but without those two elements they will forever be one and done.
 

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Ok now I see what youre saying.

There are VERY few guys who play free safety that I have ever seen who have the read and react skills like that consistently to defend passes like you are saying. Offenses and good QBs spend thousands of hours practicing the timing with their receivers to hit those soft spots in a zone or in between zones...or the "small windows" you always hear announcers referring to.

Ed Reeds with that kind of speed dont grow on trees, and its why you rarely see guys making those kinds of plays from that position because you arent like a corner locked up in a small zone.....its called center field for a reason and you have to try and watch the QB and have to react to either side of the field. Sean Davis is a pretty good rookie, but Ed Reed he is not....and the offense is always going to have the advantage in that situation. Like I said, the onus is on the guy in underneath coverage because he can be way more aggressive in defending the pass as you are referring to since he does have a safety over the top. Smith put the ball out a little bit too far, so you have to keep that in mind. If it was on the money it hits the receiver in stride, and Davis likely hits the guy with a normal tackle and no penalty, shrug. Not even saying the penalty was undeserved, because thats the rule. I just dont see what he could have done really minus being Ed Reed-esque who had the speed and reaction to make those spectacular plays when their guys get beat. Talk about a luxury knowing you had a guy like him, or hell, Berry, on the backend so you can be more aggressive.
Sean Taylor was another one. I have no idea how the fuck he did it, but he's constantly be on the opposite side of the field and close the gap on a ball to bat it away or intercept it. Just ridiculous speed.
 
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