Overwatch

I'm with Gauze, if you get a bad team you will very likely lose. Some nights you get a dozen in a row. The odds are you should get 50 / 50 good/bad but you don't. It is really hard to apply reliable statistics to something with such a human element, especially since apparently many people were placed way above where they should have been in their qualifiers.

Having fallen as far as 1650, there's really not much difference in there and 2250. Some games you get amazing teams full of people with good aim that can disengage and go in as a team. Most games people trickle, you might get one tank and one heals if you are lucky.

If you are a diplomat, and good at convincing people to change characters, that might make a difference. I have tried, and it almost always makes things worse. Just getting 2 tanks and 2 heals goes a long way towards winning, as long as you don't get one of those Reins that just puts his shield up and stands there at a choke.

One of the biggest problems with matchmaking is that the hidden mmr is heavily biased towards dps. Play several games as support and notice your score gains and losses for game wins vs losses, then play awhile as dps and check the difference. It makes really bad dps players have a higher score than they deserve, and also encourages people to play dps even when they are terrible at it.

Tenks said:

I disagree heavily it is blind luck. You're at your rating because you deserve to be ranked there. Everyone around you is similarly skilled (or lack thereof) and it is just your own personal ego thinking you're better than all these rando idiots. But it turns out you are also one of these rando idiots.

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I think you're countering the wrong argument. I'm not complaining about my ranking. The majority of people around me are at more or less my level of mechanical skill and game sense.

What surprises me is that there seems to be a fixed proportion of people (1-2 per 2-3 games) at all levels I've seen that fail basic competencies like using voice comms and, in the most general sense, staying in effective, hero-appropriate range of the rest of the team. I just played with a 3500 rank Rein who, despide 4 players on our team spamming "group up" in text and voice chat, continually ran away from us to try to "flank". We gave up and tried to follow him instead but he literally resorted to juking his own team on the terrain. How do people like this get there?

Captain Suave said:

I think you're countering the wrong argument. I'm not complaining about my ranking. The majority of people around me are at more or less my level of mechanical skill and game sense.

What surprises me is that there seems to be a fixed proportion of people (1-2 per 2-3 games) at all levels I've seen that fail basic competencies like using voice comms and, in the most general sense, staying in effective, hero-appropriate range of the rest of the team. I just played with a 3500 rank Rein who, despide 4 players on our team spamming "group up" in text and voice chat, continually ran away from us to try to "flank". We gave up and tried to follow him instead but he literally resorted to juking his own team on the terrain. How do people like this get there?

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This, im not by any means a great player. Im average. Im 40 now. I know my limits, but one thing i am not, is a complete fucking retard how alot of people are on some of my teams. Its amazing how bad people lack basic common sense. Their awareness or lack of awareness in this game is fucking mind-blowing.

Kharzette said:

One of the biggest problems with matchmaking is that the hidden mmr is heavily biased towards dps. Play several games as support and notice your score gains and losses for game wins vs losses, then play awhile as dps and check the difference. It makes really bad dps players have a higher score than they deserve, and also encourages people to play dps even when they are terrible at it.

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I feel that, once all this cosmetic shit gets out of the way, we get all of our 2.0 stuff.. they really need to address the community in terms of punishment, and reward.

They need to look at small things, that will help appropriate stats for people like Tanks and Supps. Either shovel Assists in the kill bin, or make their core stat the assist, instead of some off side stat. Add things like Discord, Nano, or Damage boost, apply to the support players damage stat. Add things like for tank, damage taken, as damage absorbed, to help better fit their role. Not only are they there to block damage, theyre there to soak up damage so that other people don't get hit, they provide the HP presence. So forth, make them gold coined stats or something.

I know Kaplan has once said that there is more to MMR and Matchmaking then W/L, but it still feels like its not working full heartily. It's not a simple system by any means, and complicating might not be the answer, but it's going to have to be so that people can get more properly placed.

They also need to address the people who are either deliberately throwing, trolling, upset, or whatever their reason through punishment thats more swift by competitive cooldowns ranging from an hour to a seasonal ban. Shit like that ruins games for others, wastes times, albiet only 15 minutes. But nothing feels worse than a guy locking bastion and sitting in a corner spamming in an easily winning game because the other guy was an asshole.

Adebisi said:

gauze tell us more stories about Overwatch eCelebs you've encountered! Any run ins with moonmoon?

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I can't say i've run in to many this season. My friend is right now in the 3100 gutters because hes been duo queuing w/ a 2800 girl while i'm at school. When we both were 35/37, it was pretty regular, now our games are pretty ass. Most of the time in which I do usually comes from my friend telling me who they are, or if they're an alt of someone else. Another friend said he played moonmoon, and he was terrible but I don't know if I could believe him. I've heard him talk about high level raiding in wow, and it was kinda like questioning a person if they actually played wow but I just let him go on.

I did almost have a game against Taimou, but one of the guys on my team mentioned it was the real taimou and he was dodging, never again did I see him :c

I've played against someone named motiff? Supposedly on splyce, we ended up bodying him pretty bad and someone on our team was shit talking him and telling him why splyce sucked dick. Was funny. I had no idea, I only know splyce because my friend ptr use to be on the team.

I've played against someone named Zonda, and Miro on different occasions but I have no way of verifying that they were real or just copycats so I didn't think much of it, nor can I remember if it was a w/l. I've also played against someone named ryujehong, but i'm certain his name is in chingchong moonspeak and he wasn't playing ana.

I've beaten poke 4 times already this season, one with his girlfriend? which was funny cause we rewatched the vod and I was making her whine. -this fucking hanzo- -OMG- was pretty funny.

I've played with Steel, and jesus hes the epitome of toxic assholes that don't get their way so they troll. I lost a game, purely because Steel didn't want a hanzo on his team, it wasn't meta, he hates playing w/ non meta playing assholes, so he kept troll picking characters. I said fuck it, went roadhog, and he continued to try his hardest but still fucking blew ass blaming everyone else. I've never seen a McCree with such horrible positions at that ranking. By the end of it, everyone was basically making fun of him that he can't play competitive csgo, and calling him out about the whole ibp shit. I was just in awe of how much a piece of shit he was, I mean I heard the toxicity from his stream, and the memes from reddit, but that was my first hand experience. Prior has only been on Faceit for csgo but on the enemy team.

I've played against Shadder2k, i'm usually okay with dealing on focus fire from genji's and winstons but jfc. This guy.. i've never been focused so bad to the point where I just couldn't do anything, I couldn't dodge anywhere, he was just on me at all times. It didn't matter the amount of pocketing, it just sucked ass. Definitely a notable difference in most genji's i've ever played.

Had a guy in the 2700's today pick Winston against a Roadhog/Reaper team. "Dude, why are you winston, they have to counters?" "No they don't." "REAPER AND ROADHOG" "Dude, those aren't Winston counters."

2700. We almost lost a final round of KOTH 6v5 with that genius and a Torb with lvl 1 turrets.

Got stuck with the same Genji DPS three games in a row who kept trying to flank and was terrible at it. I almost want to tank my MMR back to 2300-2400 since I had a lot of games there that were enjoyable. I'm currently bouncing around 2700-2800.

That said I don't care about losing so much as I wish there weren't so many raging assholes everywhere. I have lost so many games because people refuse to communicate, swap heroes when countered, or both.

My client is doing a background download tonight. Is the PTR stuff going live tomorrow?

It'll be interesting to see how much this impacts ultimate centric heroes. Thinking Ana and Mei will be hurt a lot more than Rein.

Deruvian said:

It'll be interesting to see how much this impacts ultimate centric heroes. Thinking Ana and Mei will be hurt a lot more than Rein.

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Mei's ult always charged pretty fast. Zarya's ult always charged slow as hell, though.

I think there are some ult like Lucio that charge a tad too slow now.

Tenks said:

I disagree heavily it is blind luck. You're at your rating because you deserve to be ranked there. Everyone around you is similarly skilled (or lack thereof) and it is just your own personal ego thinking you're better than all these rando idiots. But it turns out you are also one of these rando idiots. There are some good write ups and videos out there as well dispelling the myth of "But I got gold medals, I carried!" mentality of low ELO players. The real problem is the game doesn't present you enough information to know what exactly is going on. But simply getting golds and still losing means you probably were doing something wrong.

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I heard all this same shit in Season 1, practically word for word, and then at the end of the season Blizzard comes out and says exactly what I had been claiming all along, that they were basically fucking over anyone who played a support, Lucio especially. From all reports this is still happening in Season 2, just not as badly. Considering the game has been out for 6 months and this is still an issue, I wouldn't take anything about Blizzard's rankings at face value.

I'm happy about QP changes, I basically grind out comp all the time because it's just the better game mode.

I'll be able to play with other friend from all walks of life now, blow steam during prime time.

I was gonna mention, if it wasn't obvious, the whole blind luck thing. I don't know if its much of a secret but avoiding prime time is how you get massive gains. Most of my gains come from around 10pm+ cst, and I don't know about earlier cause I never wake up that early, 10am-4pm cst. When prime time rolls around, it just gets shitter by the minute, esp around the 7-8 time frame. It's luck of the draw around prime time, but after going like 8-0 during the 10-4, i'll easily go like 11-5 at 4-7.

I haven't been reading the forum but I'm tired of getting stuck with terrible quickplay teams. Is there a FoH group that plays Overwatch on the reg?