Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

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arkktheseaotter_sl said:
Paleo advocates will cherry pick research all day in order to find anything that fits their cause, as does anyone pushing an agenda.
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I think that is a very succinct summary of the entire paleo diet idea. They cherry pick and misinterpret data, ignore the overwhelming contrasting data, and then look down upon anyone who disagrees. It's amazingly absurd. It's basically a religion.
 
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I will agree that the scientific data is incomplete on HFCS. It's not natural and your body handles it totally different. If your going to try and stay to a paleo diet its not on the menu.

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All you have to do is look at the kids today. When I was a kid/teen we ate a home cooked meal. Once in awhile fast food. ( Once a month maybe) We had soda, but it was usually holidays or a family get together. We were always out playing though when it was light out, then come home, and jump on the Atari, rinse, and repeat. Never ever had a weight problem.

I watch my little cousins, and friends kids over the holidays, and every one of them was playing on either their phone, or Ipad. Forget about even going outside, you could barely have a conversation with them. Comes time to eat dinner, nothing crazy, turkey, and the usual sides. No they wont eat it. Parents brought boxed mac-n-cheese, and cooked a few hot dogs. WTF is that. Of course the kids are overweight.

Our society needs to slow the fuck down just a tad, especially if you have kids. Get back to home cooked meals, and I don't know maybe require gym class again would be a good start. The sad thing is everyone thinks it takes to long to cook a proper home meal. Bullshit. Most things can be prepped the night before.

Common sense is long dead in this country though.
 
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I will take HFCS over any drink that has sodium benzoate in it any day. I will not drink sprite till they remove that shit from their ingredients.
 
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Agenor_sl said:
All you have to do is look at the kids today. When I was a kid/teen we ate a home cooked meal. Once in awhile fast food. ( Once a month maybe) We had soda, but it was usually holidays or a family get together. We were always out playing though when it was light out, then come home, and jump on the Atari, rinse, and repeat. Never ever had a weight problem.

I watch my little cousins, and friends kids over the holidays, and every one of them was playing on either their phone, or Ipad. Forget about even going outside, you could barely have a conversation with them. Comes time to eat dinner, nothing crazy, turkey, and the usual sides. No they wont eat it. Parents brought boxed mac-n-cheese, and cooked a few hot dogs. WTF is that. Of course the kids are overweight.

Our society needs to slow the fuck down just a tad, especially if you have kids. Get back to home cooked meals, and I don't know maybe require gym class again would be a good start. The sad thing is everyone thinks it takes to long to cook a proper home meal. Bullshit. Most things can be prepped the night before.

Common sense is long dead in this country though.
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Winner winner chicken dinner. Id bet my life on the current levels of obesity are 90% related to general activity level, and not something that is strictly the result of our diet.
 
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These damn kids today, I tell you what.

Agenor_sl said:
All you have to do is look at the kids today. When I was a kid/teen we ate a home cooked meal. Once in awhile fast food. ( Once a month maybe) We had soda, but it was usually holidays or a family get together. We were always out playing though when it was light out, then come home, and jump on the Atari, rinse, and repeat. Never ever had a weight problem.

I watch my little cousins, and friends kids over the holidays, and every one of them was playing on either their phone, or Ipad. Forget about even going outside, you could barely have a conversation with them. Comes time to eat dinner, nothing crazy, turkey, and the usual sides. No they wont eat it. Parents brought boxed mac-n-cheese, and cooked a few hot dogs. WTF is that. Of course the kids are overweight.

Our society needs to slow the fuck down just a tad, especially if you have kids. Get back to home cooked meals, and I don't know maybe require gym class again would be a good start. The sad thing is everyone thinks it takes to long to cook a proper home meal. Bullshit. Most things can be prepped the night before.

Common sense is long dead in this country though.
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If we could get the womenfolk out of the office and back in the house where they belong it would help. But no, they all want to be independent gutter sluts with their two kids and three baby daddys and just buy happy meals and sit junior in front of the XBOX while she goes to the club with her girls. PALEO!
 
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some of you guys are obviously just popping in, and not reading any of the information posted, or video's sourced.

artificial does not magically make things harder for your body to manage. There is no magic involved.

HFCS is fructose-glucose in variant ratios. mostly 55-45%. Chemically, nearly identical to honey. Honey has maltose, sucrose, and other impurities. The important part however is the fructose-glucose.
As demonstrated in the vid posted a page ago or so, the biochemistry on fructose is poor. We want sugar in the form of glucose. Sucrose and fructose are poor, and basically identical for the body. to the point the guy outright calls them poison.
Its not magic, and its not artificially created. The same fructose that is in fruit, honey, etc, is the problem.

Fructose does not trigger the "im full" hormone. It has no reaction in the brain at all. Which is bad. Drink too much alchohol, you get drunk, too much glucose you get a sugar high, etc. you know when to stop.

Raw amounts in food has skyrocketed. 100 years ago, fructose was like 5% of total calories in food. today it's like 70%.


Calorie in, and calorie out is not all that matters.
What kind of sugar matters, and how much of it matters.


The problem is not HFCS exists. The problem is its cheap as hell, and sweeter then sugar. So when we should be using LESS of it, due to being more sweet, we instead started using MORE of it, because it is cheap.
The low fat craze also of course exasperated the problem. Reduced fat, increased sugar to compensate.
 
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anyone have any science on artificial sweeteners?

Splenda=
maltodextrose+sucralose
 
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I'm another one in the Keto camp, up until the age of 26-27 I could eat whatever I wanted and not put on any weight. A combination of getting older, less exercise and large portions meant I went up quite quickly to 190lbs, with the extra weight primarily around my stomach.

Last year I followed a keto diet for 2-3 months and went down to 175lbs, the problem is that it's extremely difficult to maintain keto whilst also wanting to go out at the weekend, socialise and drink. When I go out I like to have a good time and get pretty wasted, drink of choice is normally rum and coke, cider, jagermeister etc. A night out would typically be followed by a hangover day spent in bed with soda and fast food to get me through it. Having gorged on carbs over the weekend it would always take me some time to be motivated to go keto again, hence my weight went back to 182lbs.

Despite this I generally continued to follow a low carb/keto diet but without the uberdiscipline of using ketosticks etc and my low carb diet would generally be interrupted by occasional high carb takeaways, eg pizza. So basically about 75-80% of the time I was low/zero carbing and the rest not bothering.

Since New Years Day I've been following a keto diet rigidly again and am around 176lbs at the moment. I had some friends from University drop in unannounced and we all went out last night, I stuck to vodka and diet 7up which hopefully won't send me out of ketosis.
 
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Caliane_sl said:
some of you guys are obviously just popping in, and not reading any of the information posted, or video's sourced.

artificial does not magically make things harder for your body to manage. There is no magic involved.

HFCS is fructose-glucose in variant ratios. mostly 55-45%. Chemically, nearly identical to honey. Honey has maltose, sucrose, and other impurities. The important part however is the fructose-glucose.
As demonstrated in the vid posted a page ago or so, the biochemistry on fructose is poor. We want sugar in the form of glucose. Sucrose and fructose are poor, and basically identical for the body. to the point the guy outright calls them poison.
Its not magic, and its not artificially created. The same fructose that is in fruit, honey, etc, is the problem.

Fructose does not trigger the "im full" hormone. It has no reaction in the brain at all. Which is bad. Drink too much alchohol, you get drunk, too much glucose you get a sugar high, etc. you know when to stop.

Raw amounts in food has skyrocketed. 100 years ago, fructose was like 5% of total calories in food. today it's like 70%.


Calorie in, and calorie out is not all that matters.
What kind of sugar matters, and how much of it matters.


The problem is not HFCS exists. The problem is its cheap as hell, and sweeter then sugar. So when we should be using LESS of it, due to being more sweet, we instead started using MORE of it, because it is cheap.
The low fat craze also of course exasperated the problem. Reduced fat, increased sugar to compensate.
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Oh my god. This reads like a 5 year old explains reproduction. "And then the boy pees on the girl and a baby comes out!"
 
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Just seen this article todayhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...octors-wont-do

"? follow a low-carb diet

I would never go on a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet like Atkins, Dukan or Cambridge. Why? Because although you will probably lose weight, they may kill you. Don't take my word for it ? read about the 43,396 Swedish women followed for an average of 15 years. Those who stuck to low carbs and high protein had a rising risk of dying from heart attacks and strokes, depending on how strict they were and for how long they endured them. There was a staggering 62% higher risk of such illnesses among the women eating the strictest diet over those who ate normally. Eating is for enjoyment; these diets turn food into medication, and it's patently the wrong medicine ? it is often lethal.
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1. a paleo diet and ketogenic diet aren't synonymous. most people have to restrict carb intake to around 20g to reach ketosis.

2. that swedish study included people with unknown diets and people who consumed high-fat junk food

3. that doctor's quote shows precisely how narrow-minded and ignorant a lot of conventional doctors are. first of all, a low-carb diet is a high-fat diet. second of all, food is fucking fuel for your body and becomes medication when you're metabolically dysfunctional. people like him would rather prescribe statins and diet soda.
 
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Ossoi_sl said:
Just seen this article todayhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...octors-wont-do

". follow a low-carb diet

I would never go on a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet like Atkins, Dukan or Cambridge. Why? Because although you will probably lose weight, they may kill you. Don't take my word for it - read about the 43,396 Swedish women followed for an average of 15 years. Those who stuck to low carbs and high protein had a rising risk of dying from heart attacks and strokes, depending on how strict they were and for how long they endured them. There was a staggering 62% higher risk of such illnesses among the women eating the strictest diet over those who ate normally. Eating is for enjoyment; these diets turn food into medication, and it's patently the wrong medicine - it is often lethal.
Tom Smith, GP
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I wonder how this would compare to people who didn't lose weight and stayed obese.
 
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Ossoi, how about just eating good food, fruits veggies lean meats, stop worrying so much about your ketosis and MIX IN SOME CARDIO FFS YOU LAZY WORM.
 
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Like someone said, Paleo and Keto have nothing to do with each other at all and trying to follow a ketogenic diet year round is 1) stupid 2) will possibly cause metabolic damage and fuck up your insulin sensitivity 3) fucking stupid unless you are an epileptic.

It's possible to eat real food, and SOME bread, and rice, and oatmeal and other grains and still lose weight just fine. It isn't rocket science, it just requires a person to not be lazy, which is why you, and America, are fat to begin with.

With the advent of Paleo anyone who eats lean meat, vegetables, nuts and fruit these days is doing "Paleo" when over the past 50 years the rest of the world just referred to it as "eating good."

Fads, they'll getcha.
 
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Celestein_sl said:
Any literature on what you're referring to? Afaik that problem only arises when you stray into acidosis, which is practically impossible unless you eat a 0 carb diet(which no one should do), binge drink, or are diabetic. I'd be interested to see research stating otherwise.
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No I have no "literature" to back it up, I didn't really think it was so much of a stretch that it's unbelievable without research.

What are real keto diets associated with? Generally less than 50g carbs per day and significantly lower calories than a 'standard' diet. Is it really a groundbreaking thought that after spending an entire year living in a significant caloric deficit and restricting carbs to less than 50g per day that you may have some issues when you switch back to normal? People stagnate on diets after 2 months and unless someone is extremely overweight I don't know who would recommend dieting for an entire year straight.

We aren't talking about keto as a 2 month crash diet, were talking about it as a lifestyle. People coming off true keto diets after 2 months blow up like a balloon when they reintroduce carbs and it takes the body a while to regulate. You can be screwy metabolically for weeks after dieting hard for just a few months let alone a whole year. This isn't even taking into account the GI distress you are going to deal with.

Trying to do the whole "I NEED TO SEE STUDIES" never makes any sense really. Dieting in general is anecdotal evidence. The entire fitness community is anecdotal evidence. Ketogenic diets for fat loss were born in the weight loss culture, and have evolved through that, none of it has anything to do with following an old study from the 60s or something. I never said any 'side effects' were permanent, I don't really know if you can permanently fuck yourself up metabolically, and I don't really care because keto is stupid for anything other than rapid weight loss.
 
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