Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Ambiturner
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Nonsense. We live in an age of proof with which transparency through evidence renders the faith in trust obsolete.
Otherwise, your necessity to come here and attempt an unswerving defense of yourself(and in such a timely manner I might add) is rendered pointless, wouldnt you say?
Jait
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And you actually prefaced that insanity with "I'm above it all, but I'll humor you peons" for the second time, like you think you're actually someone important.
You're genuinely fucking crazy, dude. Seriously delusional in every sense of the word. Luckily Izo is back, he's supposed to be a Doctor or something, he can probably help you.
Adam12's infraction on me was 100% bull shit. A number of people, who were trolling me even called him out on it. Mod abuse, it happens a lot around here. Still not as bad as on the Pantheon boards. There is no infraction on my account when I go to look and even Adam12's own statement was he would reverse the banning. So what was I infracted for? There is no record of it. Sounds like sour grapes because he got caught abusing his powers. Not my problem and I'll post here if that means more work for the rest of you who want to know what drama I am part of next. It's saving me from posting in multiple topics. I don't ask people to apologize for being wrong and correcting their mistakes. It is something I just expect people to do, man up when they are wrong, apologize, fix it if possible and move on.
Now to Raidan_EQ comments. Yes Vhalen over achieved with the Lore, he had the most efficient system going for producing content and was way ahead of the game. He was also 1 of 3 people who were working full time on pantheon and had 3 dedicated helpers and a few of us at K-TAM helping flesh out ideas as well. Most of the rest had full or part time jobs still so their amount of time dedicated to the project was not the same.
The issue is not they wanted more money, the team wanted the money they were owed for the work they did and when that money didn't get paid for work done; they didn't keep producing and everyone saw the slowdown of new material and information. Salim says he tasked everyone and they all completed their tasks. He did not say they all got paid for that work. He couldn't say what they got paid because he didn't know. He did know he was one of the higher paid people and he knows 1 person has still not received a dime from Brad and if it is who I think it is, he worked full time on this.
That 45K likely would have paid up what everyone was expecting to be paid to that point for work completed which would have kept the project moving forward and I would like to think a lot more could have been produced to show the rest of us.
Now why don't they go after brad? Their contract is with VRI. If they sue VRI and win what do they get? Nothing. VRI has no money because it has no income and now that Brad has switched it from buying packages to donations he can pocket directly all the money people are sending and be accountable for none of it. That is why there are no physical items in the shop anymore. However, by law he must still produce those physical real world items people paid for as part of the kick starter after show deal because the physical items have no impact on the game in any way and were part of a purchase agreement, it's part of the reason I got my charge back approved among other things. Likely people would have to do a class action to see any of their money back if they were not as savvy as I was and again it is going to be against VRI NOT Brad, he is free and clear and at most he dissolves the company because of bad "credit" and no one gets jack.
That is why the developers are not suing him. They couldn't win a dime if they won a dime. Brad has likely siphoned all the cash out of VRI in dividends and bonuses to its employee and all the fun tax loop holes as well. He is delusional, not completely stupid. I would guess he had some practice or some coaching. Also as I said before, whistle blowing is not seen as a positive career move in the gaming industry.
Now looking at what the current team has produced what do we have? A small fraction of a zone made of Unity assets and some music. That's all that you could even suggest as "new". Vu had a much larger portion of the map done, in the previous video brad was running over a much larger area and was even engaging in some combat. We see none of that in the latest offering which looks like it is very small and limited though laced with a ton of detail to distract you so you believe it is much larger than it really is.
Basically what we have seen is a lot of back peddling, they have fallen even further behind. There is no lore, no maps, no art which was the biggest complaint I think people had as far as what they wanted to see and they have no community relations. Canadina was their PR assistant, even though there was no PR person listed. Not sure how that happens... but not she is gone.
What has really been done that is a step forward? The site even looks like shit now. And now we learn thanks to Kyn that the site may be hosted for free, which means brad's statements that while the game was not in development mode the money people were paying in "donations" and subscriptions were going to maintain the site which has a fat ZERO for overhead. Even the paltry $10/m it likely would have cost in hosting fees was not real. Brad amped you all up into thinking he was so hard up.
Brad admitted he has a lot in assets but not in cash. In all these months why hasn't he converted any of these assets into cash to fun his Vision if he is so convinced it is going to be a winner? I run 3 businesses and I sacrificed almost everything to start the first one because I had a vision and now I am starting up my 3rd business because I worked hard, did what it took to make it happen. People who truly believe in their dreams make them happen despite failure and set backs. Brad is not sacrificing anything for his vision. He can barely show up more than 2 times a month to pat the greens and community on the head and say "good job" and ask for more money.
Now to Raidan_EQ comments. Yes Vhalen over achieved with the Lore, he had the most efficient system going for producing content and was way ahead of the game. He was also 1 of 3 people who were working full time on pantheon and had 3 dedicated helpers and a few of us at K-TAM helping flesh out ideas as well. Most of the rest had full or part time jobs still so their amount of time dedicated to the project was not the same.
The issue is not they wanted more money, the team wanted the money they were owed for the work they did and when that money didn't get paid for work done; they didn't keep producing and everyone saw the slowdown of new material and information. Salim says he tasked everyone and they all completed their tasks. He did not say they all got paid for that work. He couldn't say what they got paid because he didn't know. He did know he was one of the higher paid people and he knows 1 person has still not received a dime from Brad and if it is who I think it is, he worked full time on this.
That 45K likely would have paid up what everyone was expecting to be paid to that point for work completed which would have kept the project moving forward and I would like to think a lot more could have been produced to show the rest of us.
Now why don't they go after brad? Their contract is with VRI. If they sue VRI and win what do they get? Nothing. VRI has no money because it has no income and now that Brad has switched it from buying packages to donations he can pocket directly all the money people are sending and be accountable for none of it. That is why there are no physical items in the shop anymore. However, by law he must still produce those physical real world items people paid for as part of the kick starter after show deal because the physical items have no impact on the game in any way and were part of a purchase agreement, it's part of the reason I got my charge back approved among other things. Likely people would have to do a class action to see any of their money back if they were not as savvy as I was and again it is going to be against VRI NOT Brad, he is free and clear and at most he dissolves the company because of bad "credit" and no one gets jack.
That is why the developers are not suing him. They couldn't win a dime if they won a dime. Brad has likely siphoned all the cash out of VRI in dividends and bonuses to its employee and all the fun tax loop holes as well. He is delusional, not completely stupid. I would guess he had some practice or some coaching. Also as I said before, whistle blowing is not seen as a positive career move in the gaming industry.
Now looking at what the current team has produced what do we have? A small fraction of a zone made of Unity assets and some music. That's all that you could even suggest as "new". Vu had a much larger portion of the map done, in the previous video brad was running over a much larger area and was even engaging in some combat. We see none of that in the latest offering which looks like it is very small and limited though laced with a ton of detail to distract you so you believe it is much larger than it really is.
Basically what we have seen is a lot of back peddling, they have fallen even further behind. There is no lore, no maps, no art which was the biggest complaint I think people had as far as what they wanted to see and they have no community relations. Canadina was their PR assistant, even though there was no PR person listed. Not sure how that happens... but not she is gone.
What has really been done that is a step forward? The site even looks like shit now. And now we learn thanks to Kyn that the site may be hosted for free, which means brad's statements that while the game was not in development mode the money people were paying in "donations" and subscriptions were going to maintain the site which has a fat ZERO for overhead. Even the paltry $10/m it likely would have cost in hosting fees was not real. Brad amped you all up into thinking he was so hard up.
Brad admitted he has a lot in assets but not in cash. In all these months why hasn't he converted any of these assets into cash to fun his Vision if he is so convinced it is going to be a winner? I run 3 businesses and I sacrificed almost everything to start the first one because I had a vision and now I am starting up my 3rd business because I worked hard, did what it took to make it happen. People who truly believe in their dreams make them happen despite failure and set backs. Brad is not sacrificing anything for his vision. He can barely show up more than 2 times a month to pat the greens and community on the head and say "good job" and ask for more money.
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Here you go. Here's the last 250 unique client requests and their referral URLs, in that order, separated by spaces. You are welcome to visit each referral URL, view source, and find the broken embedded image link that goes to fohguild.org.
It's impossible for me to do any better, at least this provides some level of third-party verification. Even if I were to give you root access to all of the webservers so you can directly monitor the logs and check out anything else that you want to, you would have to be some kind of amazing nerd(and spend a LOT of time no matter how good you are) to ensure that I haven't modified nginx, php, any other process/daemon/scheduled task running on the server, a hardware driver, or even the kernel to tamper with said logs in realtime. So here it is, the brass tax, the very best thing I can provide if you insist on assuming that I have some reason to lie about any of this, no matter how far you are technically capable of following the rabbit hole of doubts.
I couldn't help but notice you segued from"we"straight into"I"after the first sentence there. And I honestly have no reason to disbelieve you - I'm sure that YOU very possibly COULD do pretty much whatever without resorting to bots. But Dan? Yes, we all totally believe that the guy who would never shut up about "unique pageviews", who sold upvotes/likes via bots and still sends bots here annoy us on a regular basis...yeah we totally believe that he wasn't botting in the background.
At this late a date it comes down to what one chooses to believe, and I'm far more likely to believe the people who've told me in confidence that there was shady hidden botting going on than I am to believe that both you and Tyen were pure as the driven snow.
P.S.: and before anyone says that I'm crazy here...you're expecting us to believe that Tyen wasn't up to some sort of shenanigans on FOH when you had given him pretty decent access? C'mon, now.
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There were never bots on FoH - just a lot of users with unimaginative names...
To be serious for a second what that underlines as much as anything is that as well as being proficient with bots Tyen moved FoH from being a home for quality game players into a soft porn site, which was the strategy used over a number of years to ramp up traffic.
To be 1000000% honest, I thought you all were entertained too, whether you knew it or not. I still do. You guys still can't stop talking about it. It's just that I didn't predict an exodus. Do any of you really think that that dumb bitch could have talked me into doing anything, regardless of the chilimac factor or not? I didn't make "Trexxy's Tech House" or whatever it was called and make her a moderator for that one forum because she talked me into it, I made it because I knew it would give you guys something to rage about(and you did, especially a_skeleton_03, and it was hilarious), especially after having asked for a tech house for so many years. I made her a moderator because I knew that very few of you would know that moderator privs are limited to one particular forum and there would be insane crying about that as well(while in reality she really can't do anything), 1 billion percent serious right now.
This community THRIVES on drama. Even if I had dodged the trex/tyen bullet, who's to say that there wouldn't have been an exodus if malware had coincided with the Ravveen revelations?
Ambiturner
Ssraeszha Raider
- 16,040
- 19,501
Whenever someone prefaces something by saying it's over 100% true, whatever they say next is always a lie
Jysin
Ahn'Qiraj Raider
- 6,278
- 4,034
I'm with you on this one buddy. I browse from work on a Government PC and the god damn IT alarms would go apeshit every time I tried viewing FoH forums. The fact it went on for so long, I just gave up viewing and missed the subsequent move to Morenets and didn't find RR until about a year ago. Fucked up the way things went down. A decade worth of history lost.
Hey man, I'm not pretending to be perfect in my calculations here, and to be honest, I didn't need the liability associated with hosting that site. I'm thrilled that it's here. And more importantly that it's still up, although in a diminished(but good enough) capacity. And I've said on this very forum that I will pick up the slack if rerolled goes down.
Beyond that, if you all are happier here, then that's fantastic as far as I'm concerned. I think that one really major disconnect between my view and other's views is that foh was some source of personal gratification for me. I can see how people might think that, but to be brutally honest foh has always been a pretty small fry on my hosting radar. And given it's content, it's never been monetizable. It was never about my own personal gain, hell I only started it because Zamtil quit(and shut down noows), we suddenly had no website, and I was the most qualified person in the guild to take over at the time.
If you believe that I had anything but my own berger ass version of what is best for this site in mind(and the real-life restrictions placed on my ability to maintain it, like during the malware), you are just plain wrong.
Utnayan
F16 patrolling Rajaah until he plays DS3
- 16,314
- 12,083
After "Tyen the Wallet" and your conspiracy theories about uberguilds joining forces with the evil Curse cabal you just don't even get to talk anymore. Perpetually discredited. Hang your head in shame and shut up.
Utnayan
F16 patrolling Rajaah until he plays DS3
- 16,314
- 12,083
I may have to google Tyen the Wallet.
Dude you banned anyone that was calling out your bullshit with the Malware (Me included) a year and a half before your scheme imploded. And I had more insider information on that than your pet rock you sleep with at night in that crazy maniac psychotic deluded head of yours. You are an insult to the internet, and should probably just get off this site since Draegan and Tuco have done about 50 times more work than you did with your botting scheme and jacking up web hits. I think I need to ping a few folks and see if a new NPC can be made in WoD named "Requiem". A small goblin made shredder running around spastically screaming, "IT WAS THE OTHER GUY". Quest line: "There is a manic depressive robot shredder in the forest randomly and frantically screaming about something no one cares about anymore. The story of it's irrelevancy. If you can't take it down, it will take down itself. But if you see it and get in a couple good thwacks, come back and see me for the Sword of Truth."
The internet industrial loser strikes again.
See the problem is that anybody that remembers any of that, or even my actions on FoH at all, knows that this is all just in your head. You are one of literally 3 people I ever banned(in 10 years) because of thread conversation. And are you seriously trying to re-convince this crowd that Tyen was funding anything? Afterall, your entire 2-page diatribe on our operations, our collusion with both curse AND sigil, and our evil master plan hinged completely on that notion. That's when I banned you, if you'll recall. But only after giving you fair warning, and you responding with more of the same.