Why is this discussion even happening? Who takes 45k of crowdfunds to pay their personal bills?
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Gavinmad
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Chukzombi
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if you're quaid who only believes in paper and numbers (he is illiterate otherwise) then stealing the money which collapsed the company is fine because the company was collapsed due to lazy people who didnt produce brad a game and had the nerve to expect to be paid for their work. people exactly like brad!
Quaid
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Chukzombi
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i also want to mention something else. in Brad's novella, he kept stating how wonderful it is using unity assets, that stuff that took a creative team months to produce is now going to only take weeks because they are going to pass off somebody else's work as their own. the thing that irks me is brad giving timelines on people who are not pros working on this in their spare time, for free. thats more brad being out of touch with reality.
popsicledeath
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People who are self-centered, egotistical, braggarts who say things about how most disgruntled workers are just lazy assholes who refused to do their job, who think it's okay to just pay yourself off when a project starts struggling instead of working to make it successful, who think fucking over other people to pay your own bills is better than doing the right thing you legally agreed to, who then expects those who got fucked over produce 'proof' they were fucked over before they get the benefit of the doubt, instead giving the benefit of the doubt to a [former?] millionaire who has fucked up every business venture since stumbling into early success despite himself.
And then there's also Brad.
Quaid
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Well, assuming that conversation did occur, Brad still did not admit to not paying them, he's stating that they did not or had not completed the necessary paperwork to be reimbursed. Quite a different scenario than I'm not paying you.
Could it be a lie, sure, but so could anything any other Developer had said without seeing any proof. That whole initial dev team seemed like a giant clusterf**k to me from the terrible quality on the roundtables to the disappearing acts of 50% of the original team.
like any job, you submit your expenses and you get reimbursed. if you don't then your SOL. it's not your bosses fault. Either way, Vu can write this one off come tax time.
No and I don't believe Vu had any clue either. It seems more like there was an understanding to pay VU back and when shit went down, Brad said "oh yea fill out the paper work and I'll get back to ya".
I was never shown nor heard of any form from Brad in regards to anything I did. The only time this form even came up was when I directly questioned Brad about owing Vu for buying the assets.
As far as the record keeping and application of payments? Lawl... Brad handles all money 100%. His stories don't even match from day to day so I doubt any good record keeping was done. All contracts were written by Brad's lawyer with direct input from Brad, just put in legal form.
Tuco
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No offense to some of you guys, but you're so blood thirsty and confident that anything malicious that could happen did happen. Even though this whole project was a shitshow and those responsible got some money off of it, you look a little silly when you hang onto every rumor that paints the project in bad light and assume every negative whisper must be truth.
Convo
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A lot of what has transpired has just been gross mismanagement, huge ego and terrible decision making. I'm not one of the people who think Brad set out to scam a few dollars and run off. I just think he's that inept when responsible for anything other than his own work load... Not that he appears proficient at that either. The issue with Brad, is he has lost all credibility to most of us, making rumors much more believable. My question is, what rumors do you think might be false? I've confirmed a lot of the stuff I've wrote.
willing to bet there was never any payment timeline guaranteed to anyone, beyond the issuance of company stock. to do so would have been completely asinine. Half the team wasn't even added until immediately before the kickstarter. Nobody points that part out. But hey, if you think there is fire by all means check out the smoke. the reality is:
1. They didnt want to wait around for funding that might never come.
2. Kickstarter failed, guys were getting unhappy. There was an angel investor, but those wings were clipped. With no future funding on the horizon they left.
3. Brad pulled a selfish move by paying himself in advance just because he could, rather by investing those funds into the team and the game.
"Me" first mentality killed the game. For people to claim something illegal happened is laughable.