Kyn, what you'll probably find is that if your game turns out to be amazing and everything people wanted at the start of this thread, we'll happily eat crow and reverse opinions. I do it all the time (two years ago diablo 3 was hitler to me. They fixed it, and now I'm enjoying it). But the thing is that pantheon has been clusterfuck after clusterfuck since the kickstarter. Back when you guys started the KS, people here were very helpful andwilling to give advice to improve it, and we tried to sharktank that disastrous KS up until the end. The response was to retreat to a pollyanna groupthink subscription website full of true believers and stop interacting with the community 'fanbase' (SA, here, other MMO sites) for months on end. So you're going to have to excuse us for pointing and laughing now, but pantheon hasn't given us a reason to do anything but that since the first week of the kickstarter. We're not hating for the sake of hating, we're laughing because you guys done fucked up hard. I personally hope you surprise me and put out a solid oldschool MMO, but to date what has been provided is a three-ring circus rather than something I would consider kickstarting again.