So? Why are you telling me this? He gave it a shot and then realized what a shitshow this forum is so never came back. How is that any different to what I described? No industry people are ever coming here, because of morons like you. This whole site has about 10 users.
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he should come but not now. No point for him to show up until he can dive deeper into the game. People here won't want general info or tolerate spin. Brad knows that.
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Believe it or not, this forum IS where Brad should go. Not streamers, not even social media. This is where Brad needs to go if he needs to address his core audience as he stated before. Even the haters are his target audience. We are all looking for what Brad is selling; it's just his character that makes many people here uncomfortable.
Well, then Brad should be posting here because he's not in the industry! He's as much a part of the gaming industry as Bernie Madoff is part of Wall Street!
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I guess I don't see any real positives for him to come here and "address his core audience". For starters, a good percentage of people here won't believe a single word he says. And it's hard to argue with that stance given the numerous questionable and poor decisions of his past.
But therein lies part of the issue. Why would anyone want to subject himself to that kind of beating? Every one of us has made our own share of mistakes in life. It's basic human nature to want to try to move on from them, not be bludgeoned over the head with constant reminders of them for years and years to come. I'm sure Brad knows that the first time he makes an appearance here, it will be open season on him. And instead of talking about Pantheon's development, he'll be spending more time reading lulz posts and zingers from all of the board's Internet tough guys.
But let's say he does do it and decides to take the chance to engage the handful of people here who don't really give a shit about all that past drama and simply want to play the damn game. Then what? We've seen this play out numerous times before. Individuals fire off their list of questions/demands, desperate for any new information they can get. If it's not new info, he's criticized. If it is new info, he's held accountable to it. If it's not on gamer X's list of "must haves", he's criticized. If it's not designed the way gamer X wants, he's criticized. If it's not released when gamer X wants, he's criticized. The negatives just keep going. In what scenario are there positives?
The safe play for them, IMO, is to stay low on the radar for now. Draw fans into their website and their forums by building hype/momentum through the Twitch demos. As long as they continue to show progress, I believe that will be enough to keep people like myself interested.
But therein lies part of the issue. Why would anyone want to subject himself to that kind of beating? Every one of us has made our own share of mistakes in life. It's basic human nature to want to try to move on from them, not be bludgeoned over the head with constant reminders of them for years and years to come. I'm sure Brad knows that the first time he makes an appearance here, it will be open season on him. And instead of talking about Pantheon's development, he'll be spending more time reading lulz posts and zingers from all of the board's Internet tough guys.
But let's say he does do it and decides to take the chance to engage the handful of people here who don't really give a shit about all that past drama and simply want to play the damn game. Then what? We've seen this play out numerous times before. Individuals fire off their list of questions/demands, desperate for any new information they can get. If it's not new info, he's criticized. If it is new info, he's held accountable to it. If it's not on gamer X's list of "must haves", he's criticized. If it's not designed the way gamer X wants, he's criticized. If it's not released when gamer X wants, he's criticized. The negatives just keep going. In what scenario are there positives?
The safe play for them, IMO, is to stay low on the radar for now. Draw fans into their website and their forums by building hype/momentum through the Twitch demos. As long as they continue to show progress, I believe that will be enough to keep people like myself interested.
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You aren't understanding why he needs to be here. He needs to learn from you, not you from him.
He doesn't need to sell us on his game. We will all play it, if it comes out. We will then either praise it or rip it to shreds.
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Jysin
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The thing is, we already went through this cycle. When he first appeared here pitching Pantheon, there was a good number of people who ripped him for his past shenanigans. (drug abuse, vanguard parking lot firings, etc) But very quickly, people moved on and were VERY supportive of Pantheon and were giving both solicited and unsolicited feedback. Lots of constructive discussions were had. Then the Kickstarter launch, people here quickly pointed out its flaws and gave suggestions for cleaning up the page. The presentation was terrible, the donation tiers were poorly thought out, etc.
This is where it went sideways. Instead of taking that feedback, Brad went full defensive saying "they are not Kickstarter experts". Instead of fixing it, he just doubled down on the stupid. The rest was history.
The forum has given him multiple chances. The fact there are no other MMOs on the horizon, I would be willing to bet that some would still give him great feedback here. Sure he needs to suck up some backlash and criticism, but he justly deserves it. He's made colossal mistakes. Fucking own it and move on. The community does have a lot to offer.
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If you're contending that Brad should proactively solicit our feedback to better understand what will give Pantheon the best chance for success, whether it be from a marketing perspective, launch perspective, features/mechanics, etc, then that's where we disagree. Not because those things aren't important. Quite the opposite. They're absolutely critical. Where I disagree is with the "feedback" part.
Soliciting feedback can be a great thing, especially for features and world mechanics. I mean, it totally makes sense that you want to build a game that you know many people will enjoy playing, right? But at what point do you stop asking for feedback and focus on the scope you've defined for this game? At some point, more feedback potentially opens the door to expand that scope beyond it's original intent. Add more/less solo/group/raid content, make death more/less punishing, make travel more/less tedious, make it more/less group-centric, the list goes on and on. It eventually leads to trying to appeal to the masses, be all things to all people, half-assed, poorly thought-out features, shitty launches, etc. How many times have we seen this play out before? Nearly every MMO put out in the last 10 years? And look what we have now. A dearth of complete shit show MMOs for us to enjoy in 3-6 month increments before losing complete interest.
If folks still dig those games, more power to them. For me, I'd like to see something different. Something that more closely resembles the game that entertained me for years before. I fully understand that Brad may not be the one to pull it off but for now, it's really the only interesting option on the horizon.
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ZyyzYzzy
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So he should burry his head in the sand instead of being an adult?
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Where is he going to get feedback about old school games? The current social media that someone said he should listen to more than us? Those people want McMMO. We are a different breed.
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Not disagreeing with your statement, but what insight do we, the old school gamer, really offer them that the MMO industry hasn't taught everyone over the last 20 years?
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Well considering the community is made of people with diverse backgrounds from building automated sexbots @Tuco, to hosting gaming forums on DoD servers @a_skeleton_03, we actual have a lot to offer outside of just games and mechanics, like how to properly setup a kickstarter so it won't fail.
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I was just a lurker during the original Kickstarter fiasco and didn't tune into it all. As such, I won't pretend to know all the details of what went on. An without discounting any of the advice given, I am curious. The folks who did offer suggestions on how to run a successful Kickstarter for an MMO, what were their qualifications? I mean, did they have legitimate background/experience with it or was it more like people firing off one-hit suggestions simply because they're a registered user here?
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PhD from the Internet School of Wikipedia and Google. The kickstarter was literal shit and people made valid criticisms and suggestions to remedy glaring problems, all of which were ignored because Brad PillPopping McQuaid just wasn't a kickstarter expert.
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Well they tried to make some weird cross-promotion kickstarter partnership with the Shroud of the Avater folks, who had their KS shit together, so they had some sort of discussion with at least one team that ran a successful KS.
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It wasn't just that the kickstarter was bad. It was really fucking bad! Some of you soulless fuck puppets don't seem to recall how this whole shit began. Your hero Braddy Boy came whoring himself around a few different forums yelling about this great game he had cooked up, and a mass majority of the forum goers were like oh shit an MMO that isn't a fucking WOW clone sign me up. Everyone was clamoring for details.
Forum - Hey Braddy Boy tell us about this new game.
Brad - It will be sweet and awesome and totally rock.
Forum - Sounds cool, can you provide us some details.
Brad - It will be totally old school and kick ass.
Forum - Great man can we get some details and insight.
Brad - It's gonna be the best help me spread the word.
Forum - Umm bro some details on the game, team, funding?
Brad - Trust me bro, I am totally not a con artist trying to defraud you guys of cash.
Forum - Hey faggot, tell us some details about this game.
Brad - Help me whore this kickstarter
Forum - .... WTF
It was pretty clear from the start that this cocksucker had not learned any lessons, he had no real details other than some ideas and shit in his head and some scribbles him and his buddies wrote on napkins at Denny's. Even with those faults people were like ok man. Your kickstarter is a train-wreck pull it down for a few days and hell some of us will even help you set it up a little better no need to jump the gun. Of course they had no game, artwork, reward structure, really nothing but smokescreen and mirrors, but the people here helped get the word out. His reaching out to streamers and youtubers well guess what shills that idea came from here. If was us who suggested to reach out to Boogie2988 who he did do a short AMA Video with which was overall positive even though Brad had little to nothing to actually offer.
Now with just the very basic level of critical thinking most people saw this fucker derail almost immediately. It didn't take some Scooby Doo Mystery team to figure our that Braddy Boy was trying to pile drive his flaccid dipstick in our collective dirt buttons, so he was called out on it.
Do you have an actual business plan?
What kind of team did you hire?
Are you looking for outside investments?
How far do you expect the kickstarter to go?
Of course the kickstarter failed massively but did that humble ole Braddy Boy? Fuck no this American Inventor doubled down and decided well if kickstarter wasn't going to let him buttfuck his fans then by golly he would just cut out the middle man and fuck them himself. This is where the donate to Brad's fucking personal bills website and pay me a monthly fee came from. Of course some of the forum guys were dumb enough to pledge cash for Jboots in a game that will never exist but hey at least Brad got some sweet cash to not pay his team.
After all this there are still pleas from the retarded of hey bro give the dude a chance, he will pull it off. I don't know how anyone can believe shit this fucker says, it's a known fact he has fucked over dozens if not hundreds of his own colleagues in working professionals. It is a known fact the dude is addict substance abuser. It's a known fact that he will lie at face value to the fans and publications that gave him second and third chances. He fucking pulled the wool over the eyes of the people at MS showing fake product demos of Vanguard, yet they still believe there is no way he could 1/2 ass produce a fake demo for some retards on a stream. It's Vaporware.
But hey if you are still on board then you should the be one of the fallen. Donate your life savings, please you deserve it.
Forum - Hey Braddy Boy tell us about this new game.
Brad - It will be sweet and awesome and totally rock.
Forum - Sounds cool, can you provide us some details.
Brad - It will be totally old school and kick ass.
Forum - Great man can we get some details and insight.
Brad - It's gonna be the best help me spread the word.
Forum - Umm bro some details on the game, team, funding?
Brad - Trust me bro, I am totally not a con artist trying to defraud you guys of cash.
Forum - Hey faggot, tell us some details about this game.
Brad - Help me whore this kickstarter
Forum - .... WTF
It was pretty clear from the start that this cocksucker had not learned any lessons, he had no real details other than some ideas and shit in his head and some scribbles him and his buddies wrote on napkins at Denny's. Even with those faults people were like ok man. Your kickstarter is a train-wreck pull it down for a few days and hell some of us will even help you set it up a little better no need to jump the gun. Of course they had no game, artwork, reward structure, really nothing but smokescreen and mirrors, but the people here helped get the word out. His reaching out to streamers and youtubers well guess what shills that idea came from here. If was us who suggested to reach out to Boogie2988 who he did do a short AMA Video with which was overall positive even though Brad had little to nothing to actually offer.
Now with just the very basic level of critical thinking most people saw this fucker derail almost immediately. It didn't take some Scooby Doo Mystery team to figure our that Braddy Boy was trying to pile drive his flaccid dipstick in our collective dirt buttons, so he was called out on it.
Do you have an actual business plan?
What kind of team did you hire?
Are you looking for outside investments?
How far do you expect the kickstarter to go?
Of course the kickstarter failed massively but did that humble ole Braddy Boy? Fuck no this American Inventor doubled down and decided well if kickstarter wasn't going to let him buttfuck his fans then by golly he would just cut out the middle man and fuck them himself. This is where the donate to Brad's fucking personal bills website and pay me a monthly fee came from. Of course some of the forum guys were dumb enough to pledge cash for Jboots in a game that will never exist but hey at least Brad got some sweet cash to not pay his team.
After all this there are still pleas from the retarded of hey bro give the dude a chance, he will pull it off. I don't know how anyone can believe shit this fucker says, it's a known fact he has fucked over dozens if not hundreds of his own colleagues in working professionals. It is a known fact the dude is addict substance abuser. It's a known fact that he will lie at face value to the fans and publications that gave him second and third chances. He fucking pulled the wool over the eyes of the people at MS showing fake product demos of Vanguard, yet they still believe there is no way he could 1/2 ass produce a fake demo for some retards on a stream. It's Vaporware.
But hey if you are still on board then you should the be one of the fallen. Donate your life savings, please you deserve it.
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No it doesn't. This forum is bad. They get far better community interaction from other places. The kickstarter was a big success in some ways because everyone who pledged still gets email updates about the game, so they are already mailshotting their hardcore audience. They also have their own forum with hardcore fans, and other forums like mmorpg which is much better. He gets trolled occasionally on there and he deals with it, but the majority of people are just interested in talking about the game. Unlike this place where it is full of morons who just want to scream about some bullshit. Read this thread...
There is also too much to read here. Passionate people type too much, and all the dickheads shitpost too much.
Jysin
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You forgot the part where he had industry professionals working on the project at the start. Brad tried to hide the donation fund scandal from them as well until they called him out and walked. Then came the era where his dev team consisted of a fundie Christian family and we got fuzzy troll concept art. You newcomers to this thread need to do your due diligence before defending Brad.
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