Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

To be considered to be invested with VR, you have to spend 10 k on a streamer package with the team from what I understand.

Amazon is now making an MMO in URE5. Riot and Intrepid are making their games too with a dwindling player base. The reason URE is better is because you can work on multiple projects at the same time. Unity is more a single designer-builder or am I wrong?

When they say their investment came from like-minded individuals, they are talking about another gaming company. Maybe EG7. After all, they are remaking Vanguard with an EQ twist if you have not figured it out yet. Then the name confusion with the other Pantheon that has already in play status now.

This new pledge may be a cash grab like what COE did. I hope not because if you listened to them, they have so much work to do with the game with no publisher insight. There are 9 initial races, 3 Continents, 63 zones, plus a small chain of islands. A lot of content. No cookie cutters.

The problem is that EG7 still owns Vanguard and EQ.

To launch a game takes so much money. Just to license your game in Europe is 30 million for the first year for a new company with a copyright license and then you open yourself up for refund policies as a result from the gamers. Australia is the same way.

If the game collapses, BOD are paid first, and then the accredited investors are next and then pledges are last and usually stiffed from what I understand.

To register your copyright in Europe, you have to pay a licensing fee and register the copy trademark in each country, or someone can claim the copyright. The first year is crazy expensive but it goes down in the second year. Most companies go thru Stream or another publisher to get around the expensive fee but pay 30% of the price as another fee after a certain sale point of 10 million I believe.

Each computer I understand has to be tied with a license.

EG7 still owns the rights to Vanguard. Even though the game has been shelved. Nothing is stopping VR from redesigning a game like Vanguard under a new name. From what I understand there is so much content for Vanguard that never made it into the game. I always thought it would be a good idea that EG7 would license them the rights to vanguard and if it did well then, they would buy the game from them. It does EG7 no good for Vanguard to sit on the shelf. If you compare the talk with the products, they are the same thing practically without Jeff Butler. I am sure he's still creeping around somewhere.

Yes, Amazon has an MMO in the works with UE5 right now that is being talked about right now. Jahan talks about it on his streams all the time and intrepid is the old Daybreak and the apples don't fall far from the tree. How do you know about Dreamhaven for 2 years before coming to this forum? There is no such thing as a secret in the video game industry.

Lumberyard was a failure. URE5 is a better product until the game-breaking glitches somewhere down the line. It's VHS vs. Beta Max all over. VHS won the battle because of the porn industry's endorsement. Beta Max was a far superior product. Look it up. True Believers. It's hard to say it doesn't work with facts so prove me wrong you candy mofos.

To clarify the statement, there is a license fee for the game in every country, and the bill totals all together 30 million dollars for the first year. You can't choose to skip countries either.

That's why they go thru stream to get around the publishing license. that's why the my.com issue was so big for Ashes of Creation because it caused a snafu with steven becoming a self-publisher to avoid the fees. Remember international laws has a better jurisdiction in resolving claims.

Remember companies like Steam don't charge them until they hit a certain amount in sales(30% after the mark) and the products in most cases are also refundable. Steam is making money off people using their services. It sucks.

I think the word I am really looking for is the publishing license instead of copyright

you can publish your game here in the USA, but the rest of the world will get a lousy ping from your servers. You have to have a publisher in Europe.

With copyright, the first thing to remember is that you have to have the money to defend it in court or you lose your rights. copyright is only worth the money behind it. it has to registered with an office. The copyright only lasts for 50 years after the person or entity is dead then it becomes public domain.

Like I said it was an MMO. not MMORPG. You only found it because I said something. There are no secrets in the videogame world anymore.