Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

Is there any specific reason why a reward tier doesn't exist for only a digital copy of the game? Or is it still coming at some point?

Iadien_sl said:

Is there any specific reason why a reward tier doesn't exist for only a digital copy of the game? Or is it still coming at some point?

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Noel said, on the KS coments thread, that they're still looking that the tiers and may make refinements in the future. So there's a chance there will still be a Digital Download only tier coming.

Convo_sl said:

I like Etchazz.. Definitely a little shocked by his stance here. He has the guy who made EQ and VG looking for help to make a successor and he's on the sideline:-(. I mean not even $10 for the awareness of the project?

So I've definitely turned a few people on in the last day to this project that didn't know..I even had someone PM me on mmorpg after I dropped a link in vanilla wow nostalgia thread heh...so word just needs to keep spreading. There are some ignorant uninformed posters too.. Some dev posting on site like mmorpg like others have reccommened would help.

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if i'm going to pledge, i'm not going to do some piddly amount of money, i'll probably go for $500+. but at the same time, i don't want to donate that much money for nothing. it's not the money that's the issue, it's that as much as that amount wouldn't kill me, i don't wipe my ass with one hundred dollar bills either. there's a lot of things i could do with that much money, seeing it just disappear isn't one of them.

also, as i've stated before, i just don't see why we're the ones who should be footing the bill. find investors (the real money, not the pittance that they're looking for from KS) who are willing to invest and let you make the game the way you want. they will definitely hold you accountable for deadlines (which is a good thing). no, you probably won't find investors willing to invest SWTOR type dollars, but you shouldn't need that amount either to make the game that you want.

Shark Tank! Lolz

They are going to need all the things you mention, but they won't have a shot at them unless they have proof that there is market demand. That's what this kickstarter is.

So been busy and about to play catchup thread wise , Ara,Tad,Troy whoever , what's the communication level like today from the Pantheon crew ? Brad on Reddit and MMORPG.COM whoring it out like he should be ?

Please say yes , lie if necessary , humor me........

Tuco_sl said:

That plus the subreddits for a particular game have the selection bias where most people like the game. /r/gaming doesn't have that problem though.

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/r/gaming has the problem of literally the same 5 or so games (pokemon, zelda, CoD, BF4, etc.) being repeated ad infineum in meme format. /r/games is far, far better to get any kind of gaming news. /r/gaming is for lonely people who want to feel that their hobby doesn't make them unusual. Moderation on /r/gaming is also insane--and most people aren't browsing /new in gaming either, so moderation is super effective.

Dahkoht_sl said:

So been busy and about to play catchup thread wise , Ara,Tad,Troy whoever , what's the communication level like today from the Pantheon crew ? Brad on Reddit and MMORPG.COM whoring it out like he should be ?

Please say yes , lie if necessary , humor me........

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Ben has been active in the KS comments

Krassus_sl said:

The good things VG did right (imo) were

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Hobbits. Loved Hobbits in VG.

Tuco_sl said:

The communication from people here about Pantheon is great. I think Aradune/Machail thinks they can put out a PCGamer and IGN article and word will get out. Which is pretty misguided.

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Tuco whip them into shape would you ?

Your post last night about Brad and Co should everyone all be creating accounts on mmorpg/everywhere and spreading the word was spot on.

(and they shouldn't have to be told that , they should know it)

etchazz_sl said:

if i'm going to pledge, i'm not going to do some piddly amount of money, i'll probably go for $500+. but at the same time, i don't want to donate that much money for nothing. it's not the money that's the issue, it's that as much as that amount wouldn't kill me, i don't wipe my ass with one hundred dollar bills either. there's a lot of things i could do with that much money, seeing it just disappear isn't one of them.

also, as i've stated before, i just don't see why we're the ones who should be footing the bill. find investors (the real money, not the pittance that they're looking for from KS) who are willing to invest and let you make the game the way you want. they will definitely hold you accountable for deadlines (which is a good thing). no, you probably won't find investors willing to invest SWTOR type dollars, but you shouldn't need that amount either to make the game that you want.

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If they found investors, the investors would have a say in the game, and you'd be bitching up a storm about how the investors are going to ruin it and it's not worth investing your time/heart/whatever into.

What do you lose by putting up a PLEDGE? Not a thing. Literally you can pull it a day before and not lose anything. A pledge will, however, help momentum in the right direction and maybe enable the game you see to want so hard to be made, to actually get made.

My guess is you're just scared. It's not a bad thing or uncommon. People talk about things they want all the time in life. Then when you actually give them an opportunity to have it they freak out and can't handle it. Whether it's because they don't really want it and were just bullshitting the whole time, or are more comfortable thinking about things they want instead of having them, it happens. I guess the only decision now is to either put up a pledge, or realize what you thought you want is maybe not really what you do. All you're doing at this point is spinning in circles, avoiding the fact you're at a crossroads and despite talking about this moment for years, are maybe just not prepared for it and need to turn around.

Troy_Costisick_sl said:

I would love an allusion to Fancy.

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I was thinking of something along the lines of

Furor's 14 Day Writ of Ragequitting

With the entire paraphrased speech.....would be epix

or perhaps theBurned Woods Teleporter.....still, there needs to be better KS rewards...but those would be fun to do!

I was in the army when EQ launched and was playing it the most. I not only found the time, but so did many friends. I guess a game with more depth, challenge and that may even take more time to accomplish things in-game just wont work anymore... since we no longer have an army?

In fact, I'd say having some real obligations in life helped EQ. It was something to look forward to. Many of the no-lifers just burned themselves out playing all the time, conquering all the content, and then having nothing to look forward to. Which I think is part of the problem in modern MMOs. For most people playing EQ there was always something to look forward to. In modern MMOs, you quickly run out of stuff to look forward to because it's consumed so fast under the misguided notion that people have less time so they'll need to be given everything quicker. Slow down progress, and especially people who have real-life obligations will always have something to look forward to.

And we need to remember:

Players don't have the time to commit to a game anymore.

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Really means:

I wish I had more free time, but I made life choices I haven't completely come to terms with.

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Maybe I'm naive, but a lot of aspects of the gaming market have been going toward being more challenging, more competitive, more time-consuming. More people seem to be spending more time and effort on gaming these days, taking it very serious. EQ used to be the 'serious' gaming, but now mmorpgs are the casual, easy, wimpy sort of joke in gaming. The 'kids' at work waste a TON of time gaming, and a lot of it co-op, competitive, and with a lot of dick swinging talking about their exploits in Call of Duty and BF4, why they're bad asses and should be envied. They aren't playing MMOs because the games available have none of the co-op, competitive, dick-swinging stuff that keeps them coming back day after day trying to one-up others in their social circle or beyond.

We old schoolers recognize this as a CHANGE, whereas the punk kids at my work just assume MMO's have always been for sissy, casual, uncompetetitve gamers who aren't very smart or good at gaming. They don't WANT to win in a MMO because it doesn't make them feel powerful or special or badass. Give them a game that's worthy of waving their dicks around like they just won something in real life or just bought that house you can't afford, and they'll flock to it the same way we did to EQ.

And no, that isn't the only, primary or even most important audience for the game. But it's one that can greatly sway momentum and get people talking about Pantheon as a must-play game or you're a punk the same way EQ was for me and my circle of probably-too-macho-for-our-good friends. And even friends who weren't of he same ilk felt they were missing out on something they had a chance at finding in EQ.

Genjiro_sl said:

I was thinking of something along the lines of

Furor's 14 Day Writ of Ragequitting

With the entire paraphrased speech.....would be epix

or perhaps theBurned Woods Teleporter.....still, there needs to be better KS rewards...but those would be fun to do!

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Perhaps there could be a Raid Boss named Fansy sourrounded by several Sand Giants. Kill him and he drops the afforementioned Flute of Strumming

Burned Woods should be a zone where the GMs send your character as a time out for being a retard and harassing people.

Dahkoht_sl said:

Completely disagree about the time generation thing. I think many of us (I'm 41 started EQ around 26) , now are so sick of the "fast" modern mmo games and do have patience now. I have a wife and kids and far less playtime than then , but rather have an hour or two average a night over a week in a much more EQ/VG style game. Who cares if it takes you a year to max level , or you have to actually take time traveling etc. I want more of a virtual world style game where I look forward to logging into it and am not worried about what I get done that night , but whether I enjoy what time I have in it.


I think you are dead wrong on the older gamers now don't have patience for a game like this. My guess is those of us who went through EQ to the new SWTOR/GW2 style games are more ready for a game that does require more time to "max" out and are patient enough to realize that it will take much longer but if it's enjoyable while doing it that's all that matters.

I don't need a game I can have three max level characters at in a month , porting around a hub/instanced game lobby instead of a virtual world. There are enough of those options out there. If you don't have the patience and it's not for you I completely get that. But there's a substantial portion of us now who won't worry about how fast I can get to X. It's a matter of tastes , and being realistic and patient , an adult with family/career can truly enjoy a game like this if their goal is just to play when they can and enjoy it without any worry of rushing.

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This..x100 I started playing/watching EQ at a very young age I actually started playing during the end of kunark/start of velious. I watched my uncle from vanilla on until I played beside him once I was old enough. The best memories I had were not at max level, it has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be the journey you remember. I am 26 now and I honestly feel that WoW/most newer MMO's are being made for a younger audience than myself. I think they reason for that is honestly because the mentality of the player has changed, little work for lots of rewards. I think about that and ask myself where does that work (minus rare occasions) in any part of the real world? It takes work to obtain what you want, and work takes time, and when you get what you want what is the first thing you do? You look back at how you got there. I am tired of the current pool of twats who cry because it takes to long to get an item, or requires rep. The one thing that WoW has done correctly recently was the Legendary Cloak Quest line. That was a expansion long quest that took you all over pandaria to obtain something. There are countless forums of people bitching and moaning about it takes too long to get. I just sit back and smile at each and everyone one of those (kids). Fucking pussies.

I didnt even know there was a subreddit for games, either way hopefully someone can put up an AMA request or I will try if I figure it out once Im home. First I need to do my important daily research on /r/gonewild though.

popsicledeath_sl said:

If they found investors, the investors would have a say in the game, and you'd be bitching up a storm about how the investors are going to ruin it and it's not worth investing your time/heart/whatever into.

What do you lose by putting up a PLEDGE? Not a thing. Literally you can pull it a day before and not lose anything. A pledge will, however, help momentum in the right direction and maybe enable the game you see to want so hard to be made, to actually get made.

My guess is you're just scared. It's not a bad thing or uncommon. People talk about things they want all the time in life. Then when you actually give them an opportunity to have it they freak out and can't handle it. Whether it's because they don't really want it and were just bullshitting the whole time, or are more comfortable thinking about things they want instead of having them, it happens. I guess the only decision now is to either put up a pledge, or realize what you thought you want is maybe not really what you do. All you're doing at this point is spinning in circles, avoiding the fact you're at a crossroads and despite talking about this moment for years, are maybe just not prepared for it and need to turn around.

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completely inaccurate. if this game was a 100% go, i'd have zero problems giving brad and co. $500 or more. but that is not the case. it's not about being scared, it's about being smart. giving that much money to a group of people who may or may not make a game that may or may not come out by 2017 sounds incredibly naive to me.

More like:

I wish I had more free time, but somewhere along the way I became a grown up.

In my college days I spent a few hours on school a few hours on sleep and the rest on EQ, so I was about as HC as you can get....but real life comes along at some point. That said, there is a new generation of people who can poopsock and I'd be happy just playing a game at my own pace that at least I knew was good and had a great endgame waiting whenever I got there. As long as the incentive is there, people will play.