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FD pulling was time consuming, annoying and generally a waste of time. There was a plethora of CC available in EQ that was both better, more reliable, faster, and let you pull more shit in crowded areas where there was high competition for spawns.

I mained a Shaman and I was often enough CC by myself with Root. If the tank wasn't a complete moron he'd be paying attention and just keep moving back as I rooted each mob individually. If he was a complete moron I'd cast slow then sit to draw aggro and root in place, move, sit again, root, and so on.

FD... fucking lol.
 
Nirgon

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Rali said:
So, you're telling them not to listen to a word you say?

HEH...
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Quite the opposite, I fought tooth and nail with those classic haters and still do

Risking pacify crit resists and monkeying with mobs to get an FD single is fine by me

Hell sometimes you'd have to use those things together on the right pulls depending on the mob/group's level attempting it

Our first foray deep into live side lguk on live EQ was successful and unforgettable
 
Pasteton

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Think most of the time I saw fd pulling was in raid settings like in the planes. Wasn’t really something we did much in groups (unless of course we had a monk that was gung ho about it)
 
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Pasteton said:
Think most of the time I saw fd pulling was in raid settings like in the planes. Wasn’t really something we did much in groups (unless of course we had a monk that was gung ho about it)
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I was thinking the same thing, really. I mean its a tool to break a camp, sure. You use whats available. But most raids, shit like pacify and root aint working. Temple of Veeshan didnt REQUIRE monks, but it was sure af easier with them.
 
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It really comes back down to - multiple different ways to do that same thing 80% of the time and, allowing a system to be and grow and let "unintended" things remain and not be so sterile.

Games now, set in stone by WOW - are "There are X ways to do this with Z combo of Q classes" anything beyond that, the Q of the classes will cry that someone took their jorb and well, we cant have that.
 
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I doubt we’ll ever experience the flexibility of early EQ classes. Not just things like FD but quad/fear/swarm kiting. All of those experimental playstyles made the game unintentionally awesome. You felt pride in what you could achieve with your character by experimenting and finding new ways to beat shit you really should have had no chance of slapping down.

The gear was cool as fuck as well. Certain one-off abilities that inherently changed an encounter or made the game fun, like illusion masks, port items, food/water summoning items, mana clickies, tash/slow items.
 
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My EQ Ranger had the Sky cloak that was clickable self haste, combine that with the slow on our Epic and I could do a lot of shit solo. Early days of EQ, good gear really meant something and had a meaningful impact on your character.
 
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TheBeagle said:
My EQ Ranger had the Sky cloak that was clickable self haste, combine that with the slow on our Epic and I could do a lot of shit solo. Early days of EQ, good gear really meant something and had a meaningful impact on your character.
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The Sky stuff was insane for many... on P99 there was a dex "bug" on the launch of Kunark - I had the Rhemuglus or whatever it was on my SK from sky- 80pt lifetap. The thing procced a good 85% of the time, even on misses or something..maybe not..but it procced enough that I could just toe to toe tank the ghost dudes in City of Mist- was quiet, nice exp and easy because of the lifetap going off so much. Those 41% haste belts, whew... It took a while to replace it in Velious even.
 
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Khane said:
FD pulling was time consuming, annoying and generally a waste of time. There was a plethora of CC available in EQ that was both better, more reliable, faster, and let you pull more shit in crowded areas where there was high competition for spawns.

I mained a Shaman and I was often enough CC by myself with Root. If the tank wasn't a complete moron he'd be paying attention and just keep moving back as I rooted each mob individually. If he was a complete moron I'd cast slow then sit to draw aggro and root in place, move, sit again, root, and so on.

FD... fucking lol.
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Lots of options in EQ, no doubt. Always a plus.

But a good fd puller kept his groups very busy. And at the bleeding edge when cc, etc didn't work on the endgame mobs. FD or wipe was the only option if you wanted to compete with the other bleeding edge guilds. Who also used FD pullers almost exclusively.

As a side note, the other class that is very unrepresented in other games is the EQ enchanter. Great class and very powerful when played properly.
 
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Siliconemelons

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Yeall wanna member berry another fun EQ mechanic…

The non-cc breaking agro abilities of a SK so they could meat shield the enchanters when their mezzez wore off and not then die and wipe the raid.

So much fun…

Heh
 
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Nirgon

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Siliconemelons said:
It really comes back down to - multiple different ways to do that same thing 80% of the time and, allowing a system to be and grow and let "unintended" things remain and not be so sterile.

Games now, set in stone by WOW - are "There are X ways to do this with Z combo of Q classes" anything beyond that, the Q of the classes will cry that someone took their jorb and well, we cant have that.
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Right so throw all that in the trash and ignore those people so they don't ruin this game too.
 
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I've run into 1 or 2 boomer retard monks on TLPs who tried to FD every single pull in Guk. Pretty sure I was on an enchanter, too. That shit was comedy. They were the Uncle Ricos of TLPs. "Watch, I can FD pull over that mountain."
 
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Siliconemelons said:
It really comes back down to - multiple different ways to do that same thing 80% of the time and, allowing a system to be and grow and let "unintended" things remain and not be so sterile.

Games now, set in stone by WOW - are "There are X ways to do this with Z combo of Q classes" anything beyond that, the Q of the classes will cry that someone took their jorb and well, we cant have that.
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You know they tried stop FD pulling, right? They were just incompetent and people found work arounds.

It's like none of you rose colored glasses people even played the game you've convinced yourselves was the greatest thing ever.
 
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at some point you get 2 ironwill mobs and wipe the whole group and an hour plus worth of exp. fuck that
 
Siliconemelons

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Ambiturner said:
You know they tried stop FD pulling, right? They were just incompetent and people found work arounds.

It's like none of you rose colored glasses people even played the game you've convinced yourselves was the greatest thing ever.
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I am fairly sure we all have said it was unintended as a mechanic. And yeah, them adding a “well if its not back at its spawn point and you stand it has a higher chance of remembering you…”

Then “if you re-damage it, i.e. a DOT it wont just re-engage but it will re-aggre re-“shout” as it comes back” as an SK it was so fun to d-cloud a mob, FD, wait for them to all return home- stand and CoS-insta-Invis and just let the 1 mob wonder to you.
 
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Siliconemelons said:
I am fairly sure we all have said it was unintended as a mechanic. And yeah, them adding a “well if its not back at its spawn point and you stand it has a higher chance of remembering you…”

Then “if you re-damage it, i.e. a DOT it wont just re-engage but it will re-aggre re-“shout” as it comes back” as an SK it was so fun to d-cloud a mob, FD, wait for them to all return home- stand and CoS-insta-Invis and just let the 1 mob wonder to you.
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My point was they had the same philosophy of "You'll play the way we tell you to play" as everyone else, they were just really bad at pulling it off.

FD pulling, DoT kiting, Root nuking, etc. It wasn't nearly as open and free like people are acting
 
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