Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

mkopec_sl said:

To salvage any of this, if possible at all, they need to bust a nut on the info already. Enough of this trickle down theory. Seriously. Get all the infos out, and then answer questions for the next 4 weeks.

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I agree.

Boozecube_sl said:

Many people are suggesting a Kickstarter for the Kickstarter and things like that but really this ship has sailed. Fact is simple as this, this Kickstarter is a lie, it's disingenuous at best and a flat out fraud at worse.

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Brad would never deceive us.

Two weeks before SOE buys Sigil:

Then a re-launch towards the end of the year that includes the first expansion, one that would addRTS style city building, ship to ship combat, jousting, and a second half of the Kojanese Archipelago that makes ship travel meaningful and by meaningful I mean not tedious, rewarding exploration, with lots of new areas (both in the existing world and in the extension of the archipelago). And Im talking about some re-use of existing art, combined with new art that fits into the existing continents, and then finally some all out new stuff different styles of terrain (islands) and ocean to look at while making your journey to found a new player city while constantly being attacked by exotic sea creatures, leviathans, and other traditional members of fantasy and crypto-zoology.Not to mention pirates with canons, or other players and their ships on the PvP servers.

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VNboards has an - Silky Venom

I think the problem is I'm still addicted to clarity.

I don't even think there's a whole lot of shady intentions behind it, it's just that lots of people (especially in leading positions) are terrible at their job. After they've all been fired from their previous positions, they only have themselves to rely own.

Turns out, they're just not very good at what they're trying to do. Maybe there's some passion about the subject, hidden somewhere; maybe they think they've got all the answers, who the fuck knows. But they're definitely terrible at their job.

bayr_sl said:

Kingdom Come: Deliverance by Warhorse Studios Kickstarter

This is going to pass Pantheon in less than 12 hours of launching

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I went in on this - thanks for posting the link, still on the fence with Fall of the Fallen tho'

BTW the "Pledge of" Was moving like a ticker counter lol.

Kaljin_sl said:

I went in on this - thanks for posting the link, still on the fence with Fall of the Fallen tho'

BTW the "Pledge of" Was moving like a ticker counter lol.

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I loved mount and blade.. that game looks badass! Thanks!

Boozecube_sl said:

Last thing this group of cunts really needs though it more understanding and coddling, you are trying to make excuses and say well they are really passionate, but re-watch Brads Q&A.. During his monotone droning on about vague bullshit did you see any passion?

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I don't know how you got the impression I'm coming up with excuses, I just said they suck what they're doing. I merely said there MIGHT be someone in this team who's all fired up for his work, but this does not mean he's actually good at it.

So yes, they really do need a reality check. Cause if a bunch of amateurs or small fry (like lots of kickstarters) can come up with a better design/idea/marketing than these so called mmo vets, there's something terribly wrong.

pharmakos_sl said:

lol shit

i did not realize

damn

what are they going to do, buy $800,000 worth of pre-built unity stuff?

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According to Brad that money will go to pay for the 10 guys working on this while they try to secure more money to do more work.

Hey, it's Vanguard of the KS variety.

What's that? About $27,000 per year per guy? Not the worst salary for a part time gig.

While I love Garriott and UO as much as Brad and EQ, Shroud is not an MMO. This KS deserves criticism. I really wish they'd show more or have done more before exposing it to the world. I abhor the naming of the shadowknight class: troll dark knight just doesn't roll off the tongue like the times of old.

I don't know the reasons behind it: whether it's managerial, laziness, or ineptitude. What I'm trying to stress here is - what realization I'm trying to force into everyone's cerebral cortex is that this is all we have, all there is. There hasn't been an MMO made with the gameplay we're looking for since many of your children have been born. There hasn't been one with us in mind since vanilla WoW or before, at minimum a decade back in 2004 and at most, longer.

I can almost assuredly say this is the last chance this genre has ever. I hope I'm wrong, truly. But I'm also probably the most realist individual on this board (hi Marx) who makes truth a daily concern. There won't be anything else. There will be one thread on this subforum dedicated to EQN, and the rest will be emulators of EQ, UO, and DAoC. As a young-to-middle-aged adult, I truly believe this is the last chance I'll see another EverQuest in my lifetime. I really don't think there will be another one before I'm dust, if there ever will be at all.

This is so far beyond beggars can't be choosers; beggars occasionally get a handout - we've gotten nothing. We're technically a rotting corpse who's asking for life. And while I'll sit here and criticize away because that's what we do to the things we love, I'll never pull my support for this because I know this is all we have left. I don't want to pack my bags.

Dumar_sl said:

While I love Garriott and UO as much as Brad and EQ, Shroud is not an MMO. .

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Their online mode is essentially an MMO, right? From what I understand, it will work like Diablo. You can play offline, but those characters can never interact with the online mode--online characters though exist in a persistent world, it's essentially an MMO.

pharmakos_sl said:

none of us would be here if we weren't EQ fans to some extent =p

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ftfy

Looks like they are still on track to do $10,000ish today even with no press. Maybe their strategy will work if they sustain that for the next 3 weeks and see spikes on article release days and at the end.