Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

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Dumar_sl said:
EQ was small enough pop, and it worked fantastically. This idea that it's so niche, so small-scale that it'll have the same amount of players as a CoD server is silly. It'll have enough people for these mechanics. If Brad can't secure funding to make more than one dungeon, one city, and one starting area - that is, if development is so expensive that he can't make at least two of each, then he needs more money before the game should be put into development: no matter how much we discuss here, we can't make the game we want work with one of each.
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Two of each dungeon? Yeah, that's why these mechanics kinda worked in EQ. At one point, you were funneled into a very small range of possible things to do. You could log out in Guk because you pretty much knew there'd be a group there and you had a shot at getting lucky. If you logged out in LGuk and when you logged in got invited to a group that was at the zone line in SolB ready to go, good fucking luck having them wait for you. And what's the point. Would being able to gate to your bind point, spend 10 minutes running to SolB, then being summoned in to the group already clearing the dungeon really kill anything about the game?

The problem only got worse in Kunark. A balance needs to be found between queueing up for instant-port dungeons and not being invited to a group because you're too far away and sometimes even with a port the group was better of leaving you behind rather than waiting at the zone line hoping you make it so they can start playing the game.
 
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popsicledeath_sl said:
A balance needs to be found between queueing up for instant-port dungeons and not being invited to a group because you're too far away and sometimes even with a port the group was better of leaving you behind rather than waiting at the zone line hoping you make it so they can start playing the game.
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This.

All I'm saying is make it an in game, player driven solution, rather than an artificial UI instant gratification solution.
 
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Here's my, probably bad, contribution...

Give everyone starting at level 5 or whatever the "Open Portal to Wherever Zone" skill. Requires 6 group members to activate. Some magical piece of armor/equipment/weapon has to be sacrificed. Give it a 2 or 3 minute cast time and a 60 minute refresh. Make it port to less than optimal locations.

It still requires social interaction. Groups could potentially be made at whatever place emerges as Pantheon's equivalent of the EC tunnel. You avoid sitting at the zone in LFG. Druids and Wizzies are still the taxi for for incomplete groups or single players and their ports are in optimal locations. It takes items out of the economy.

This at least gives you a choice. Try and form up a group to go somewhere, catch a druid/wizzie port, or hike over on foot.
 
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Zaven_sl

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TheLurkerIsMe_sl said:
Here's my, probably bad, contribution...

Give everyone starting at level 5 or whatever the "Open Portal to Wherever Zone" skill. Requires 6 group members to activate. Some magical piece of armor/equipment/weapon has to be sacrificed. Give it a 2 or 3 minute cast time and a 60 minute refresh. Make it port to less than optimal locations.

It still requires social interaction. Groups could potentially be made at whatever place emerges as Pantheon's equivalent of the EC tunnel. You avoid sitting at the zone in LFG. Druids and Wizzies are still the taxi for for incomplete groups or single players and their ports are in optimal locations. It takes items out of the economy.

This at least gives you a choice. Try and form up a group to go somewhere, catch a druid/wizzie port, or hike over on foot.
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I wish when the devs aren't sure of something they would just play it safe and copy the system that EQ had. It worked fine. This isn't a game for casuals, i just don't understand it.
 
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I can't believe there is so many fuckers lobbying hard to take away the mechanics that made druids and wizards unique. FUCK YOU GUYS! Seriously. You don't see my asking to have KEI stones for sale at the vendor or CH clickies or SOW potions(although yes, they did exist) or pets who could tank via a quest. SEND A FUCKING TELL TO A WIZARD OR DRUID. DONE. 90% of the time I would stop what I was doing to port someone. Remember when we got the translocates? I wouldn't even have to leave my group. Guy would say, "Hey, need a trans to DL", I would say, "Cool, meet me at "insert wherever I was"....He hands me a couple plat, I trans him, done.

With that being said, I DO agree with binds. Maybe each city can have a bind point so at least if you run your ass from FP to Qeynos you can bind before some fucking mob kills ya. But if you want to bind outside a zone, ya need a caster.
 
Mr Creed

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Aradune_sl said:
Perhaps we integrate extremely-pro-grouping mechanics like teleporting in the initial tutorial levels only?
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Again, build a world. A world doesnt have a tutorial extensive enough to need group mechanics. And the first thing people are taught has to be "find your own way" and not " at first you can port but we'll take that away later". If you want a mechanics tutorial make it short, have players start out in the basement of their mage academy or whatever and limit the tutorial to those cellar rooms. Once they exit that level into the day (or night) for the first time set them free.
 
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Merlin_sl said:
I can't believe there is so many fuckers lobbying hard to take away the mechanics that made druids and wizards unique. FUCK YOU GUYS! Seriously. You don't see my asking to have KEI stones for sale at the vendor or CH clickies or SOW potions(although yes, they did exist) or pets who could tank via a quest. SEND A FUCKING TELL TO A WIZARD OR DRUID. DONE. 90% of the time I would stop what I was doing to port someone. Remember when we got the translocates? I wouldn't even have to leave my group. Guy would say, "Hey, need a trans to DL", I would say, "Cool, meet me at "insert wherever I was"....He hands me a couple plat, I trans him, done.

With that being said, I DO agree with binds. Maybe each city can have a bind point so at least if you run your ass from FP to Qeynos you can bind before some fucking mob kills ya. But if you want to bind outside a zone, ya need a caster.
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I agree 100%! It's a give and take system. You're friendly to others and you help them when you can, it's much easier to get ports. On the flip side, when you give ports freely, when it comes time to get a res, or need help with a CR, you're much more likely to get help.
 
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Dumar_sl said:
The old guard around here has to keep defending real & meaningful gameplay. Sad part is, the defense gets harder and harder because this industry just keeps sinking into the lobby parlor abyss.
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What about EQ wasn't a "lobby"? The world of Everquest wasn't seamless at all. Or have you conveniently forgotten about "Loading...please wait"?
 
mkopec

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That's not what he means by lobby, youre just being a smartass.

Lobby means you sit in some town, click a button, and BAM, you are put in a group, teleported to the start of the instance. Rinse and repeat.

Because a game has zones has nothing to do with "lobby"
 
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Convo_sl said:
That's a really bad counter dude..
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Yeah, I know. The truth fucking hurts. EQ was absolutely relegated to "lobbies", especially as the game world expanded. Shit, on my server, zones all over the place had their own communities. EC, SK, KC, Seb, Guk, etc. There's very little difference, other than your nostalgia telling you otherwise.
 
Mr Creed

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Boozecube_sl said:
we are the target audience of a niche game and we will play the hell out of it, but you might not want to go so far as to discourage your average gamer from picking up your game.
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I'm really hoping they clarify what their niche is very precisely internally - like many said a casual reference to VG or EQ doesnt tell it all, and the last question about dungeon ports should make that clear. I want this team to write that vision, and once they are sure they mean what they wrote they should publish it.

Then everyone can decide if it is the game for them. EQ wasnt the last game that kicked you in the nuts repeatedly. I dont know if Vanguard did that or any others, but EVE did. If I had to name one MMO that told a new trial player to just fucking quit because he has no chance, it's EVE, not EQ. Yet EVE has been a steady climber in a sea of drowning MMOs. The only MMO post-WoW (that I played) that told people to suck it up and get better, or quit. And they gained subs steady for years without changing too much. That's what I want from Pantheon. If you build it, they will come.
 
mkopec

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Kirun_sl said:
Yeah, I know. The truth fucking hurts. EQ was absolutely relegated to "lobbies", especially as the game world expanded. Shit, on my server, zones all over the place had their own communities. EC, SK, KC, Seb, Guk, etc. There's very little difference, other than your nostalgia telling you otherwise.
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Kirun_sl said:
Yeah, I know. The truth fucking hurts. EQ was absolutely relegated to "lobbies", especially as the game world expanded. Shit, on my server, zones all over the place had their own communities. EC, SK, KC, Seb, Guk, etc. There's very little difference, other than your nostalgia telling you otherwise.
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Fantastic troll. Good set up, didn't come on too strong. Execution of taking the definition and applying it broadly in a specious manner that works; but still means the opposite of the current discussion? Really Kir, I'd + you if I could.
 
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Better to leave their actual target market a bit cloudy because the fact of the matter is "NOSTALGIA" might sell but when specifics start getting talked about the neck beards start getting fussy.

Usually when specifics start cropping up people start disagreeing pretty vehemently. Some only want a slight return to old school and others want every kick in the balls feature they remember. Many are in the middle. Most are likely to not agree on jack shit.
 
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Creator Visionary Realms, Inc. 9 minutes ago
"How would you guys feel if we offered a reward tier that would let one of you design one of our classes. This would be mainly working on the concept the idea with the team and letting us run with it."
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What would the price for that be
 
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