Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

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Daidraco said:
Have they even said anything about how itemization is going to be handled in pantheon?
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I've only watched like 4 of those streams and they talked a bit about like twinking and how they want super powerful items to be from the hardest content and more or less how loot tables are gonna suck compared to what they are currently showing
 
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I'd love to see how qwerty goes through his day to day life. Always being the dumbest motherfucker in the room yet somehow convinced everyone else are the dumb ones.
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It doesn't happen in real life, I know lots of decent people. This forum is just full of dimwit shitlords.

Nirgon said:
You realize those VS gaunts are so rare that they never even dropped on a lot of servers during Kunark right?
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Doesn't matter. Still upgraded most of my stuff ez. Raiding is for no life chumps.

Nirgon said:
The RBB is a raid item from vanilla, and it is not replaced by the RBG. That's where I'm at with all this still.
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It doesn't matter. They are both easy to get in Kunark and nobody cares about the fbss with those in the game, and the CoF.


Nirgon said:
I just think he really hates EQ, but will still probably play Pantheon.
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I played EQ more than anyone on this forum. Unlike you morons I am just sentient enough to see its strengths and weaknesses clearly.

Daidraco said:
Not that I care very much about this back and forth discussion, but the Hole wasnt out during the release of Kunark. Items that are being talked about werent widely known about until at least a month into the expansion. The amount of people that hit 60 within the first week or two of Kunark was a very small group of people. The amount of people that were in Sebilis (after the key quest was fixed - which to be clear, wasnt in at release) was a very small group of people as well. But enough of that -
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All of that means nothing.

Daidraco said:
Have they even said anything about how itemization is going to be handled in pantheon?
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They are reading this thread and being reminded that they need to get shit right. Thanks to me.

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Haha yep he better hope his VPN holds up.
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Come at me Fagime.
 
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Yeah Jesus this is fucking dumb. The RBB and RBG were extremely rare. By comparison the FBSS was dramatically more common because of its loot location and much less randomization between it dropping at the Frenzied Ghoul camp.

Just because you could, theoretically, get an RBB from Karnor's. I never once saw that fucking thing drop in the hundreds of hours I probably spent in that dungeon. I don't know about y'all. But most of the upgrades I got I got at their locations. Your claim is that because it was theoretically possible to get an upgrade from something. That it just happened. You're insane.
 
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I don't get why you people are even engaging this moron in discussion. It's been made quite obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about or is just out to troll. When he gets called out on something, he just resorts to shouting "no, u, fag" or similar. He spends his whole time telling us how this place is shit yet spends his time hanging out here.

Just ignore him like a bad smell!
 
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Rali said:
I don't get why you people are even engaging this moron in discussion. It's been made quite obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about or is just out to troll. When he gets called out on something, he just resorts to shouting "no, u, fag" or similar. He spends his whole time telling us how this place is shit yet spends his time hanging out here.

Just ignore him like a bad smell!
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Yea, this.
 
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TJT said:
Yeah Jesus this is fucking dumb. The RBB and RBG were extremely rare. By comparison the FBSS was dramatically more common because of its loot location and much less randomization between it dropping at the Frenzied Ghoul camp.

Just because you could, theoretically, get an RBB from Karnor's. I never once saw that fucking thing drop in the hundreds of hours I probably spent in that dungeon. I don't know about y'all. But most of the upgrades I got I got at their locations. Your claim is that because it was theoretically possible to get an upgrade from something. That it just happened. You're insane.
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What in Karnors dropped the RBB? It was only Vox and the Kunark Dragons AFAIK?
 
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TJT said:
Yeah Jesus this is fucking dumb. The RBB and RBG were extremely rare. By comparison the FBSS was dramatically more common because of its loot location and much less randomization between it dropping at the Frenzied Ghoul camp.
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Doesn't really matter how rare it was, people had them, and no self respecting dps wanted to wear an FBSS though Kunark. This is all kind of off topic though anyway because FBSS is not a raid item. I have no problem with people replacing FBSS with Kunark gear. My issue is with expansions killing everything that went before it. Gear, zones, everything.

Rali said:
It's been made quite obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about or is just out to troll. When he gets called out on something, he just resorts to shouting "no, u, fag" or similar.
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Only none of that happened. Why visit a forum if you can't be bothered to read?
 
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qwertyqweqwertwqert said:
Doesn't really matter how rare it was, people had them, and no self respecting dps wanted to wear an FBSS though Kunark. This is all kind of off topic though anyway because FBSS is not a raid item. I have no problem with people replacing FBSS with Kunark gear. My issue is with expansions killing everything that went before it. Gear, zones, everything.


Only none of that happened. Why visit a forum if you can't be bothered to read?
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You're outright fucking lying now. Shut the fuck up. I even agree with the general statement you're trying to make. But on this you are 100% fucking wrong as this never happened during live. A lot of top tier raiders went through a lot of Kunark before upgrading various vanilla items. Because it is all just luck of the draw on whether or not they dropped at all then again if you actually got them. That they exist is not a crime.

A lot of items from vanilla were fine up through Kunark and even Velious for the vast majority of players. Fuck, even in Velious SolB and Guk were camped 24/7 on my server.

You're all, "lolz FBSS could be replaced by Cloak of Flames. Everyone gets one of those too har har!"
 
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Hes being an ass about it, but I "think" hes simply saying that everything, at face value, can be replaced in the next expansion. So this would include not only OS, but VS, the hole, Veeshans Peak, etc. Most if not all items could be replaced by something in Kunark. Ill concede that, because if we're not taking any conditions into account.. then ya, items in VP easily trump shit in classic. But in all of my playtime, including p99, Ive never seen some of those items drop. So to be fair, Q qwertyqweqwertwqert , you should also concede that rarity of items does play a big factor in whether or not you'll ever get that upgrade. Two different arguments.
 
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qwertyqweqwertwqert said:
Doesn't really matter how rare it was, people had them, and no self respecting dps wanted to wear an FBSS though Kunark. This is all kind of off topic though anyway because FBSS is not a raid item. I have no problem with people replacing FBSS with Kunark gear. My issue is with expansions killing everything that went before it. Gear, zones, everything.
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Dude, you really need to learn to troll if you are going to shit the thread with it. At least make it not so obvious here. You know none of what you just wrote is true....And we also know you aren't this stupid. So the trick here would be to interject a few things to be "Off" on, and make it just believable enough that people will actually get pissed and write back.

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Not only is Q trolling but he's doing that multi-quote bullshit that was so annoying before he was banned at our previous site.
He got a solid 4-5 pages of responses so he won that round.
 
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Yeah. The fundamental argument that you're trolling with it comparing these two things:

  1. EQ - Items exist and upgrades exist in expansions or even within expansion. Odds of getting BIS are extremely rare in all cases. But you can use items through an expansion. Previous content is absolutely not worthless.
  2. WoW - You will constantly churn gear through the gear treadmill. Rarity is not as important as rolling a higher item level piece. Today's WoW you can reasonably get an upgrade every single play session. Casual or not.
 
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TJT said:
Yeah. The fundamental argument that you're trolling with it comparing these two things:

  1. EQ - Items exist and upgrades exist in expansions or even within expansion. Odds of getting BIS are extremely rare in all cases. But you can use items through an expansion. Previous content is absolutely not worthless.
  2. WoW - You will constantly churn gear through the gear treadmill. Rarity is not as important as rolling a higher item level piece. Today's WoW you can reasonably get an upgrade every single play session. Casual or not.
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Talking on that front, I left WoW after WotLK. I had a lot of fun with a buddy but the game was just too damn formulaic. He wanted me to start back a few months before MoP. He rightly said he could get me geared near top level in 6 weeks, 8 max. It is handy for a returning player but that's just too damn easy. WoW masterfully dangles a ton of carrots and they all take a considerable time if you want that certain carrot. I have completism issues and I had to go lol.

I think this game will lean closer to WoW but still very much in line with Vanguard.
 
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Daidraco said:
Hes being an ass about it, but I "think" hes simply saying that everything, at face value, can be replaced in the next expansion.
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Everything can, and probably should. If no items from expansion N has an upgrade in N+1, then what's the point?

(save, of course, for new content to see. Before you head back to old zones)

The problem is, of course, what replaces what. And it requires tiers of content. Like: Leveling - Endgame Solo - Group - Easy raid - Hard raid. Well, EQ didn't really had the first two, because you were not considered to be able to solo anything meaningful. So, let's collate that into "Leveling group - Endgame group".

Nobody has a problem that endgame group of N+1 is equivalent or sometimes replaces easy raid of N. The problem we have is when leveling content drops stuff that is equivalent or replaces hard raid content. And no, Kunark did not do that. At best, you might have had group content in level 60 zones that was close, or just above PoH/PoF items. None of those ever replaced PoS items.

Even the Kunark->Velious transition, which was harsh, did not approach close to the modern WoW where solo leveling content replaces easy raid content, and endgame solo replaces hard raid gear. Well, WoW is at the point where solo endgame content replaced group content IN THE SAME tier (WQ stuff being higher ilvl than heroic gear if you had enough ilvl average).

So no. The idea that EQ had "gear resets" is ludicrous.
 
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This dev team made raid loot in Vanguard much higher tier than dungeon loot so I think we're safe bros.
 
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Well I still don't see any valid point in your argument but maybe there is one

What donation tier you lookin at tho?
 
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