Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

popsicledeath

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You should read the next sentence of the post you quoted.
I read the next sentence, and agree. I still think the arguments you consistent make based on what you seem to know regarding the finished product of this game that isn't close to finished is ridiculous.

I agree about holidays and pets: they're not for this game...
They're not for this game.... that doesn't yet exist.

The people in this world...
The people of this world... that doesn't yet exist.

How do you know this shit, man? You're either psychic, secretly Sillius, or can't divorce the image of the game you've built in your head from the reality of where we're actually at right now.

And all that make-believe, for what, so you can make a statement that would get Captain Obvious a promotion to Grand Inquisitor Extraordinaire:

Eventually, if they want to do something like this, it has to be within the context of the world to make sense: some ritual/sacrifice celebrating a god, etc.
Yes, yes, they should definitely make these things within the context of the world to make sense, as pretty much everyone agrees ever.... and the beauty is once that world is ACTUALLY REVEALED, then, just maybe then we can pretend to know what would and wouldn't make sense. Until then, though, you're just pretending.
 

Merlin_sl

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I hope there are massive and angry sea things that want to annihilate anything that falls into their water.
I always thought with all the "miles" and miles of ocean in VG wouldn't it be fucking cool if out of nowhere maybe once a month a giant fucking dragon spawned out there. It would probably take awhile but imagine when the players found it? Some dude is out there just fucking around on his boat and out of nowhere this epic raid dragon just fucked his shit up haha.
 

Dumar_sl

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Lol, Dumar's over the top ' this is only for badasses'! And only a few badasses on this forum are smart enough to tell Brad how to design his game! Shit cracks me up.
Maybe you should be cracking up waiting for the next Disney release. Are you eagerly awaiting another G-rated, 'accessible' MMO that the 'whole fam can enjoy'? Eagerly awaiting to take more orphan children to this game's Dark Portal to celebrate Children's Week?
 

gogojira_sl

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I always thought with all the "miles" and miles of ocean in VG wouldn't it be fucking cool if out of nowhere maybe once a month a giant fucking dragon spawned out there. It would probably take awhile but imagine when the players found it? Some dude is out there just fucking around on his boat and out of nowhere this epic raid dragon just fucked his shit up haha.
Vanguard's ocean was so incomplete, it was a big disappointment. Enormous stretches of transparent water and the very limited life in there were basic mobs that did their on land animations, haha. Here's to hoping something treacherous is lurking on Pantheon's waters.
 

popsicledeath

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Lol, Dumar's over the top ' this is only for badasses'! And only a few badasses on this forum are smart enough to tell Brad how to design his game! Shit cracks me up.
Don't get me wrong, I'd probably play the game in Dumar's head. But unless I'm Ender and he's Mazer Rackam, I'm not yet convinced he's got all the inside information and we're all just pawns being dragged along until we're finally worthy of being shown the full truth and breadth of his insider information.
 

Mr Creed

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I agree about holidays and pets: they're not for this game as we perceive them. The people in this world are too busy worrying about surviving than putting up decorations in Orgrimmar for x-mas. Eventually, if they want to do something like this, it has to be within the context of the world to make sense: some ritual/sacrifice celebrating a god, etc.
I think (assuming a large enough world to have different races/cultures) such festivals should be limited to specific races or communities in most cases. The elves celebrating a summer solstice doesnt mean the dorfs give a damn, maybe they are extra grumpy at best. It's extra off-putting if apparently elves, humans, dwarfs and orcs, tauren and trolls all happen to celebrate the same x-mas clone. If you put that kinda stuff it have it make sense within the game world, restrict it locally, the players that care will travel there.
 

popsicledeath

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Maybe you should be cracking up waiting for the next Disney release. Are you eagerly awaiting another G-rated, 'accessible' MMO that the 'whole fam can enjoy'? Eagerly awaiting to take more orphan children to this game's Dark Portal to celebrate Children's Week?
OH DAMN! SOOTHING, WARM-TOWEL BURN!!!
 

popsicledeath

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I always thought with all the "miles" and miles of ocean in VG wouldn't it be fucking cool if out of nowhere maybe once a month a giant fucking dragon spawned out there. It would probably take awhile but imagine when the players found it? Some dude is out there just fucking around on his boat and out of nowhere this epic raid dragon just fucked his shit up haha.
Add it to the list of things on the list of things that were talked about in Vanguard development that never saw the light of day.
 

Mr Creed

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Ya shoulda made a joke about only having half a life!

Chime, chime: I like pets and trinkets and shit. Not a priority, but adds a little fun to a game. Everyone talks about useful things, like jboots and stuff like that. But I also like collecting things that aren't even all that useful just for the 'wtf is that' factor in a game, which is what I would consider minion style pets. As long as they're lore-relevant and not cash-shop related, I'd like things that aren't strictly leveling/power/achievement to spend time on in the game. And not just an achievement-style collection-list where you're ticking off boxes like it's homework. More like easter eggs and rare, useless things to laugh about or screw around with when bored.
Pets and trinkets and shit fall right into the same category as clickies. Massive farming time sinks for something that's not a simple +gooder. We want those, right? And those things dont need to be everywhere all the time right at release, but we have nothing to go on here for relevant discussion and this is the kind of stuff Pantheon devs need to scribble down for later.
 

Dumar_sl

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How do you know this shit, man? You're either psychic, secretly Sillius, or can't divorce the image of the game you've built in your head from the reality of where we're actually at right now.
No, it is not obvious because the WoW events are not within the context of the world, AT ALL. They square-pegged into a round-hole every single major national and international holiday under the sun (literally, under the sun) into the game just for more appeal. What's the consequence? A further giving of not two-shits about the world in which you're playing because it makes NO coherent sense. It makes no coherent sense to bring orphan children to the front lines of battle or to a portal leading to another dimension where demons live. A v-day celebration makes no coherent sense. On and on. All of these things that make no coherent sense further make the world itself lack any coherent sense. It's stupid and was only done to bring in and keep a more casual player base.

How is Azeroth viewed now? Shit, I'd like to live there. Life would be much fucking easier there than here on Earth in the 21st century.

Like I said in my previous post, I don't know what game Brad is making. I can only go by his words, and his words to us seem to relate a game being made for us, for a core audience of gamers, not a casual sea of sallys and timmys. IF that's the case, then these events don't belong there as we've experienced them in WoW. A druidic celebration of the coming of the spring equinox? A ritual sacrifice for more rain? Ok. But it doesn't involve holiday achievements like giving presents or finding Easter eggs.
 

Dumar_sl

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I think (assuming a large enough world to have different races/cultures) such festivals should be limited to specific races or communities in most cases. The elves celebrating a summer solstice doesnt mean the dorfs give a damn, maybe they are extra grumpy at best. It's extra off-putting if apparently elves, humans, dwarfs and orcs, tauren and trolls all happen to celebrate the same x-mas clone. If you put that kinda stuff it have it make sense within the game world, restrict it locally, the players that care will travel there.
Yes, not worldwide whatsoever. That's a good baseline. But the idea of trolls having some coordinated, scheduled 'holiday' irks me to begin with.
 

Heallun

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Dear DarkAkuma,

My apologies for not explaining my position in more depth.

My annoyance was such:

I'm seeing people register just to post a somewhat long-winded letter directly addressed to Brad that doesn't really offer much of anything new that hasn't been covered in the thread, but often does include a history of their own gaming experience and a lot of generalized perspectives, or a thinly veiled attempt to campaign against a feature or mechanic they personally don't like that may or may not be good for a game. This leads me to believe a poster isn't reading the thread, isn't following the evolution of the thread or game, and instead is the type of poster who gets excited with many new MMOs, rushes to get their two cents in hoping it changes the course of the game development, writes a personalized 'Dear Developer' letter, and then ultimately leaves to get excited about the potential of some other game when every last demand in their ransom note isn't met or they don't get the attention they seek.

Then, these posters often assume someone who has been involved in the evolution of the thread, game, etc. was personally moved by their letter if they do anything related to the demands within, such as generally respond regarding a like feature, or link to information they were hoping for. The problem is everything so far has been me, me, me, so the poster continues that trend, often responding in such a way that you'd think it were them who moved the developers to suddenly release information, or that they were (thankfully!) the first person in the thread or in ever at all to suggest a feature or ask an idea. This is heightened when they take personal responsibility for something they didn't even do, mere minutes or hours after, what, posting their Dear Developer letter; such things as 'I'm glad they're finally listening to us' when details that line up to their general desires are revealed or "I see gogojira_ tweeted an inquiry based off my Oculus Rift question."

Then, later, after getting a response they didn't like, they further beat the drum of the feature they personally like, even after getting a response. I mean, the community responded to their emotionally engaged Dear Developer letter once, right? And the developers themselves seemed to respond as well, because it surely wasn't just coincidence. Why wouldn't every get on board with a followup letter? Obviously the feature the poster wanted is very important to them, and everyone else probably just doesn't see it yet, so it will need explained further. All that's needed is more passion and more explanation to start a grass roots effort....

And that's where I stepped in. I fear the tone of my comments were misunderstood. I wasn't angrily saying you should shut up, like: shut up you ignorant piece of shit I'll cut you. I was saying it more as a friend, like: shut up before you embarrass yourself. Like, please chill, read, and slowly integrate yourself with the thread... instead of coming in, posting a Dear Developer letter outlining your personal experiences and expectations regarding any new project, personally attributing other poster and dev activity to that personalized letter, and then personally started to crusade for a feature we already got a response to, that has generally already been discussed and understood, and that I feared would become a personal axe to grind that would separate you from the community if it was continued to be brought up, especially in the personalized path that was already being taken. Basically, I saw the new kid at the party starting to socially hang themselves and was like, ummm, shutup man and just play it cool and you'll have a better time here.

Also, I wrongly clarified your face, when I should technically have clarified to shut up your fingers. Unless you're using Dragon software or something. But how would I know that?

In conclusion, I was partially annoyed, but mostly had that sinking feeling of seeing another brand new, impassioned new poster looking destined to be hoisted on their own petard... and I just... I just couldn't watch it happen again.... I was trying to deflect for you, man, to give you a chance at survival! I'm good deep down, if you just give me a chance!

Fondlest regards,

Danth

errr, I mean my username over to the left.
Danth Heallun and DarkAkuma. Refugee status confirmed. Also--If we have to hit buttons more than once every 10 seconds Danth may not be able to keep up. Brad pls be considerate :p
 

popsicledeath

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No, it is not obvious because the WoW events are not within the context of the world, AT ALL. They square-pegged into a round-hole every single major national and international holiday under the sun (literally, under the sun) into the game just for more appeal. What's the consequence? A further giving of not two-shits about the world in which you're playing because it makes NO coherent sense. It makes no coherent sense to bring orphan children to the front lines of battle or to a portal leading to another dimension where demons live. A v-day celebration makes no coherent sense. On and on. All of these things that make no coherent sense further make the world itself lack any coherent sense. It's stupid and was only done to bring in and keep a more casual player base.

How is Azeroth viewed now? Shit, I'd like to live there. Life would be much fucking easier there than here on Earth in the 21st century.

Like I said in my previous post, I don't know what game Brad is making. I can only go by his words, and his words to us seem to relate a game being made for us, for a core audience of gamers, not a casual sea of sallys and timmys. IF that's the case, then these events don't belong there as we've experienced them in WoW. A druidic celebration of the coming of the spring equinox? A ritual sacrifice for more rain? Ok. But it doesn't involve holiday achievements like giving presents or finding Easter eggs.
Who here was talking about implementing events like WoW? Okay, everyone else, whether you wanted holidays and events in-game or not, agreed it had to fit the full context of the game? Everyone? Okay, great, then I guess it was pointless to pretend to know exactly what Pantheon would be to argue against a point nobody was making, so you could then just make the profound statement that everyone else was also making without making shit up or pretending they were psychic.

He's making a game for you, sure, and in your mind there can't be any holidays or festivities because you believe every inhabitant of Pantheon is struggling to survive, and that in times of struggle it makes no sense to resort to holidays or festivities.

Logic, mother fucker, do you speak it?
 

Quaid

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The only thing that pisses me off about in-game holidays that emulate RL ones, is the fact that my MMORPG playtime should be an escape from everyday life. Not only do I have to be flooded with Christmas/valentines/Halloween imagery in the real world, but now it has to happen in my fantasy world enjoyment time? Fuck that.

Might as well just have in-game product placement. Ironforge is now Pepsiforge for the anniversary of Pepsi every year!
 

Pasteton

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How far are we from reaching that sweet spot where procedurally generated is advanced enough to almost feel like custom designed?
Imagine a game spawned boss mobs based on environmental factors that varied over time, and also altered the kind of mob that spawned. But was so intricate that it almost seemed like a custom designed encounter rather than an algorithm based creation. Limitless content which doesn't feel bland or repetitive. Pipe dream or possibility?

Same thing with itemization. Instead of +1 gooderer stats based on a simple zero sum scheme, can't we come up with a more advanced item creation system? Something which mixed in random unique effects from a pool, or something along those lines
 

Dumar_sl

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He's making a game for you, sure, and in your mind there can't be any holidays or festivities because you believe every inhabitant of Pantheon is struggling to survive, and that in times of struggle it makes no sense to resort to holidays or festivities.
My original post stated that it has to be within the context of the game world. You left that out in your reply. Sounds like you're arguing for no reason, comrade. If we agree, we agree. A spring equinox celebration by the druids makes sense. A ritual sacrifice by the towns in S.Ro for rain makes sense. A worldwide holiday to celebrate x-mas or v-day makes no sense.

I would also add this: that the spring equinox celebration by the druids should not coincide with ours here in the real world. It should be its own, on its own time. There needs to be a total disconnect from real life to this world as Quaid and Sev allude to.
 

popsicledeath

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The only thing that pisses me off about in-game holidays that emulate RL ones....
Does it piss you off when there's a holiday event that results in an item that is good enough that everyone who missed the event is pissed off they not only didn't get it, but have zero chance at getting it in the future unless the company simply copy/pastes the same event next year?