Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Muligan
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I will not play a game with cross-server play anymore. It isn't a MMO to me. I'm not fond a single starting city either unless they have a really good reason why this is the case. As other have said, it doesn't make sense. EQ did a great job for its time really making starting areas reflect their respective races. That adds so much to the game in my opinion.
Age of Conan. Aion. Dungeons and Dragons Online. Global Agenda. Lord of the Rings Online. Neverwinter. RIFT. Star Trek Online. TERA.
Those are all free to play. They're all making money. Do you have an excuse for each one of those too?
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Lol. I never denied that I reported that some idiot pulled his pledges twice in fact I think I mentioned that I was going to report it to kickstarter in this thread somewhere. Had nothing to do with you - you will note that there is no mention of any names. But keep trolling and keep thinking it's all about you
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And you accused me of being an eStalker for clicking on your Kickstarter profile? You're fucking insane, man. Seek help.
We'll see how EQN turns out. I'm still holding a candle for it, mainly because I think emergent AI combined with a really strong PVP and NPC-faction (similar to EQ) system and sandbox-driven emergent-gameplay elements could turn out to be something incredible.
It could also turn out to be total shit, so we'll see.
I did love the way they talked about Dungeons in the Cursed interview. If they can implement that, it will be a pretty awesome game.
45 is what I have been watching, its been moving the past couple of days but still 60/1000 left.
Word.
It's pretty obvious that there are some people who want nothing more than to see this thing fail so they can tweak their nipples with tears of joy in their eyes, masturbating furiously over everyone else's disappointment.
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LOTRO - No update this year.
Trion, AoC ,Etc. Yeah they're all doing really great. Closed studios, re structured into purely casual MMOs
They all made a ton of money with the FTP switch but once they get over that initial rush the wad of money isn't the same.
Give me a fucking break and do your own research.
What they don't seem to understand is that they're masturbating all over their own faces.
LOTRO was one of the best casual MMOs I've played, until it went FTP. Now it's just a big fucking store using a game as advertisement. They fucking ruined that game with FTP.
First of all, you are guessing on whether or not they make money. Vanguard probably would've been included in your sentence last week, and we all know what happened to that.
More importantly, you can't take a AAA MMO designed for the subscription model that was then converted half-assedly to free to play, and use that to relate the glory of the free to play model. The reasons these games do well is because they are in fact AAA subscription games. Its like getting a pair of 200 dollar designer jeans from a garage sale for 75 cents and bragging to your friends how great really cheap clothing is.
Free to play exists because A) your game isn't good enough to charge people monthly for, or B) You don't really have a game at all but an online mall disguised as a game that tricks people into spending money. The rest of us would rather just pay for an immersive AAA quality game who's content designers are paid to create features, and not cash shop items.
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Elisha Dushku
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This btw is a real concern. As more information is revealed it gets further away from the "More like EQ1" comment.
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You're an idiot. Every single one of the games I listed that was originally subscription-based is making more money now than they were when they shifted their model to free-to-play. Every single one. There was a reason they went free to play to begin with - their current financial model of subscriptions was no longer viable. LotRO didn't have an update this year? If it hadn't gone free to play it wouldn't even still be running. Same with AoC.
In each case, the games themselves weren't all that good (or were simply too close in design to Warcraft) and didn't turn into the cash-cows that their studios thought they would be. But they didn't lose money because they went free to play; they went free to play because they weren't making money through their model. It was a simple case of change the model or shut down the game.
Muligan
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