Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

tad10

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I think there is plenty of interest in an MMO like this, but Brad and this team haven't exactly sold many people on their ability to produce it. This isn't the only not-a-wow-clone MMO being worked on. It's not even the most competent one by a long shot. Check out Project Gorgon. You can go play an alpha concept of it right now. It's awesome. It failed its kickstarter, but that was before they had an actual playable demonstration of their talent to show. I believe they're running another one in March and IMO it is far more deserving of support.
I'll send them some money but I so wish they hadn't gone the skill no class route.
 

Oloh_sl

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I thought the deal was this was going to be the future test area for mechanics. I like the look of the dungeon and outside area except for the water.
The water is the unity default. Even if they just buy upgraded water on the asset store for $50, it would look 100x better. There are some things you can't tweak in unity very easily (mostly networking stuff), but things like water are literally a 30 second change. It took longer to type this than to swap out water if you build/buy it.
 
Only 240 watching. We need like, 10k watching.
I'm not sure that's a good idea if they actually want backers. If I came to this stream curious about backing this project, my wallet would be welded shut by this point. I really don't get this stream. Its really unprofessional and pointless. I get it they are in the planning stage, but they're just coming off as amateurs running around with their heads cut off.

I want an old-school MMO as much everyone here, but I've seen nothing to assure me this is even remotely producible by this group. I know enough has already been said about this so I think I'm just going to back out of this thread for a while. They're checking off all the old-school bullet points in their interviews, but talk cheap.
 

Lost Ranger_sl

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I can't watch it any more myself and I'm backing it. They seem bored and annoyed to be doing it (which I can understand) , just not the best way to snag a new backer.
What do you understand? They are asking people to give them $800,000+ and when people don't just start handing it over with no questions asked it is okay for them to act annoyed/bored? I have stated numerous times that they seem to have a total lack of enthusiasm for this and it is hurting their fund raising. They should be acting like Paul Barnett from Warhammer. Act like your game is the greatest thing to ever be created. Even if it is a massive piece of shit that level of enthusiasm will attract people. Let them be disappointed AFTER you get their money. Not before.
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Dahkoht_sl

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On the math class subject , we're looking at needing 30K a day the next 5 days to be at the half way point to barely fund. That end of the KS push/spike is looking like it would have to be massive to have this thing fund.
 

Dahkoht_sl

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What do you understand? They are asking people to give them $800,000+ and when people don't just start handing it over with no questions asked it is okay for them to act annoyed/bored? I have stated numerous times that they seem to have a total lack of enthusiasm for this and it is hurting their fund raising. They should be acting like Paul Barnett from Warhammer. Act like your game is the greatest thing to ever be created. Even if it is a massive piece of shit that level of enthusiasm will attract people. Let them be disappointed AFTER you get their money. Not before.
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I can understand if I was having to do a twitch like this , with this little info to give out , and basically playing around in Unity it would be hard to sound excited. I'm saying the whole twitch stream at this moment was a bad idea.

And Barnett was a fucking joke. I'd be more annoyed with anyone acting like that moron trying to push a game. I'd prefer a happy medium , but the Barnett shit is as bad , if not maybe worse , than Brad's monotone presentation.

Both side of the spectrum are terrible in their own way.
 

shabushabu

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Well, given how it's 7 years later and Vanguard *still* suffers from chunk crashing and issues just crossing chunk lines, it's obvious there were serious issues with the technology that would've never likely been fixed.
I have logged god knows how many hours in vanguard and never had a problem other than a hitch at a chunk-line... got an SSD and since it was down to like 1-2 second delay or less...
 

Oloh_sl

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They are talking about the pros and cons of Unity now. The two biggest cons (by FAR) to using Unity for a MMO are:

1. Very hard to make a seamless world. You have to build that functionality into it.
2. The networking options for MMO style games suck and you will probably have to build it from scratch.

I'm sure a talented team can do both of these, but they aren't trivial. Just trying to give a realistic picture of what Unity has to offer.
 

Vandyn

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On the math class subject , we're looking at needing 30K a day the next 5 days to be at the half way point to barely fund. That end of the KS push/spike is looking like it would have to be massive to have this thing fund.
Which isn't going to happen. The fact that they can't even get morebackersto watch this thing says a lot. Even if they got 15k a day from here to the end, they still need a surge of at least 150,000 to reach goal.
 

Zefah

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They are talking about the pros and cons of Unity now. The two biggest cons (by FAR) to using Unity for a MMO are:

1. Very hard to make a seamless world. You have to build that functionality into it.
2. The networking options for MMO style games suck and you will probably have to build it from scratch.

I'm sure a talented team can do both of these, but they aren't trivial. Just trying to give a realistic picture of what Unity has to offer.
Luckily, with 1. at least, they have already said they are going to use zones like EQ.
 

Lost Ranger_sl

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I can understand if I was having to do a twitch like this , with this little info to give out , and basically playing around in Unity it would be hard to sound excited. I'm saying the whole twitch stream at this moment was a bad idea.

And Barnett was a fucking joke. I'd be more annoyed with anyone acting like that moron trying to push a game. I'd prefer a happy medium , but the Barnett shit is as bad , if not maybe worse , than Brad's monotone presentation.

Both side of the spectrum are terrible in their own way.
Oh Barnett was a total ass. The point though is that acting that way can get people excited. If you act like you are so excited about the game you are making people can start to think that you might really have something awesome. Act like every Q&A video is a chore and people will wonder if your game is just as boring as you are heh.

Look at that Vince guy selling shamwows. Act like you love your product and maybe others will too.
 

Dahkoht_sl

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Which isn't going to happen. The fact that they can't even get morebackersto watch this thing says a lot. Even if they got 15k a day from here to the end, they still need a surge of at least 150,000 to reach goal.
Agreed. This thing would have to do a massive daily turnaround every day from here on out to fund.

So short of Brad's KS doing the turnaround of all KS projects (for games anyway ) it's not happening.

Oh Barnett was a total ass. The point though is that acting that way can get people excited. If you act like you are so excited about the game you are making people can start to think that you might really have something awesome. Act like every Q&A video is a chore and people will wonder if your game is just as boring as you are heh.

Look at that Vince guy selling shamwows. Act like you love your product and maybe others will too.
Oh I agree also , Brad's presentation in the original video made me wonder if he even wanted to do it.
 

BoozeCube

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This is just more of throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks. Twitch could be a good medium for them to use but at least try and make it entertaining. I would rather watch these guys play a marathon session on P99 while adding commentary and explaining how different parts of EQ came to be.
 

K13R

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Oh Barnett was a total ass. The point though is that acting that way can get people excited. If you act like you are so excited about the game you are making people can start to think that you might really have something awesome. Act like every Q&A video is a chore and people will wonder if your game is just as boring as you are heh.

Look at that Vince guy selling shamwows. Act like you love your product and maybe others will too.
He was an ASS that sold 750k boxes at launch for that game with his antics the General POP don't blame MJ for Warhammer failure they blame Barnett...