Brahma
Obi-Bro Kenobi-X
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Path of Exile 2
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Palum
what Suineg set it to
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They also said they think there's nothing wrong with mace though so lol
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Penance
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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Lol wut. I mean there's nothing wrong with Hand of God and that's it. That's the list of good mace skills.
Palum
what Suineg set it to
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Fogel
Mr. Poopybutthole
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I did a mage version of Kripps ES titan. It exploits the notable that applies armor nodes to energy shield recharge rate. Use the support gem that causes your ES to recharge without interruption when stunned. You have so much ES/Armor that its almost impossible to die before being stunned and with basic gear you have 8k+ ES and 2-3k/s energy shield recharge. Its tankier than my evasion/ES monk that runs wind dancer, ghost shroud, and grim feast.
Evernothing
Bronze Baronet of the Realm
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Penance
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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Aazrael
Avatar of War Slayer
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They said they are trying to "rush" the next content patch that will bring about a reset of everything.
So they have a baseline to continue working on and not the broken stuff thats going on right now.
Normal resets/content updates should be around 3 months so maybe a month for the first one?
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Just getting to sit down and listen to the full interview.
I guess magic find is perfectly acceptable to them and this is the new world we're living in, congrats on shitty design.
I also fundamentally disagree with that dude's work who is being cited everywhere to say that MF is perfectly fine. he's testing 0-60 MF on waystones with zero content, no modifiers, and no tablets applied. That's not the real world. the real world is going from ~300 rarity to about ~700% rarity with breach/delirium/extra rares/irradiated and corrupted with extra mods on rares. His tests are maliciously misleading and the economy and build diversity are being completely warped around magic find.
But Mark and Jonathan think that since items are only getting saturated into higher tiers, it's fine.
I guess magic find is perfectly acceptable to them and this is the new world we're living in, congrats on shitty design.
I also fundamentally disagree with that dude's work who is being cited everywhere to say that MF is perfectly fine. he's testing 0-60 MF on waystones with zero content, no modifiers, and no tablets applied. That's not the real world. the real world is going from ~300 rarity to about ~700% rarity with breach/delirium/extra rares/irradiated and corrupted with extra mods on rares. His tests are maliciously misleading and the economy and build diversity are being completely warped around magic find.
But Mark and Jonathan think that since items are only getting saturated into higher tiers, it's fine.
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Juvarisx
Florida
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They seemed blown away by how making currency going up tiers that it lead to more quant on currency in a round about way. My guess is what you will see is like in PoE 1 MF will not work on currency at some point.
Arbitrary
Tranny Chaser
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Magic Find allows you to exchange character power for loot. With only one portal that trade is grossly asymmetrical from character to character. Melee Bro pays a higher premium for allocating stats that could be +defense/life/resists/damage/QoL than Spark Bro does because Melee Bro has to get all up in everything's business. Spark Bro is also already doing a thing that is good in Path of Exile to do - big clear with potential offscreening. Spark Bro doesn't need an extra cherry on top of his cherry on top of his other cherry on top of his sundae.
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Penance
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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And this is the crux of the game design choice. By funneling alternate advancements (IE: MF) into limited resources, you effectively weed out niche builds and focus everything into hyper competitive meta builds that can afford to pay that price.
It's like they forgot that the entire point of an ARPG is to get loot and putting loot getting mechanics like MF into a pool of resources that builds power will funnel people to that every single time. Build diversity becomes contained heavily
That's not even taking into account what an exponential gain it is. I'm starting to think these people are losing the plot.
Mahes
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So some of the problems I have with the game.
1. The Map system: Why require keystones to get into? I am fine with being able to augment them but why penalize the entry? Also, why are they infinite? They should be able to be reset. What happens when a player has done so many that it gets out of control as to where they are? I am glad they recognized the need to scale the map. Yeah....no shit. No Key Stone tab.
2. Magic Find as a stat. This has always been a stupid idea. All it does is take away a stat on a piece of gear because players do not want to be undermined for their time. If you want Magic Find as part of the system, just make it a completely separate thing. Have it where players have to achievement key accomplishments to build up the stat.
3. Minions not pathing worth a shit in tight areas. Was surprised nothing was mentioned about this. I am guessing that is actually a difficult technical solve for them.
4. Boring loot... honestly. Yes I can get better stats but I have not seen a single piece of loot that actually changes a build into something new. How about a legendary that changes what minions can do?
5. No real auction house. It is amazing how that has not been a priority for them. That alone would help to keep a lot more players playing this game. Yes a player can try to learn how to navigate the current system. The problem is that players play a game to have fun. If it start to feel like a task/job, then a lot of them just move on.
6. Crafting needs a lot of work. A player has to decide whether or not it is worth the cost to not brick an item, only to likely brick the item.
The game is fun but it looks like it still has a long way to go. It is odd that this game does not actually feel like a learned lesson from PoE1. This stuff has already been accounted for in a lot of ways but for some reason they chose not to incorporate the learned material. Now the game is not "Released" and I feel that before the actual release, a lot of these issues will get addressed in some fashion.
1. The Map system: Why require keystones to get into? I am fine with being able to augment them but why penalize the entry? Also, why are they infinite? They should be able to be reset. What happens when a player has done so many that it gets out of control as to where they are? I am glad they recognized the need to scale the map. Yeah....no shit. No Key Stone tab.
2. Magic Find as a stat. This has always been a stupid idea. All it does is take away a stat on a piece of gear because players do not want to be undermined for their time. If you want Magic Find as part of the system, just make it a completely separate thing. Have it where players have to achievement key accomplishments to build up the stat.
3. Minions not pathing worth a shit in tight areas. Was surprised nothing was mentioned about this. I am guessing that is actually a difficult technical solve for them.
4. Boring loot... honestly. Yes I can get better stats but I have not seen a single piece of loot that actually changes a build into something new. How about a legendary that changes what minions can do?
5. No real auction house. It is amazing how that has not been a priority for them. That alone would help to keep a lot more players playing this game. Yes a player can try to learn how to navigate the current system. The problem is that players play a game to have fun. If it start to feel like a task/job, then a lot of them just move on.
6. Crafting needs a lot of work. A player has to decide whether or not it is worth the cost to not brick an item, only to likely brick the item.
The game is fun but it looks like it still has a long way to go. It is odd that this game does not actually feel like a learned lesson from PoE1. This stuff has already been accounted for in a lot of ways but for some reason they chose not to incorporate the learned material. Now the game is not "Released" and I feel that before the actual release, a lot of these issues will get addressed in some fashion.
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Still ass. I hate negatives on gear. Just the idea is unappealing from a design standpoint.
For dnd when I design gear the only down side I ever add are strange things. Like you now elongate your S's and have slit pupils. But not -stats.
Penance
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Only point I don't agree with, however 90% of the uniques are pretty trash and fit this category.