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Zaphid

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I tried to love talisman, I really did, but they are still adding unnecessary stuff even though the base game and UI has some terrible relics of D2 design. I'll probably make 1 ranged character, run him to like lvl 85, fuck around a bit and that's it. UI and social elements are still terrible, the chat is still infuriating, trading has to be facilitated by third parties and the hardest maps are reserved for the top 0,1 % so unless you choose the cheesiest and most meta builds, have fun grinding T9s until your eyes bleed. Masters are still terrible and necessary grind that is somewhat doable only thanks to parties.
 

Tenks

Bronze Knight of the Realm
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I think the game is more fun if you just acknowledge you're playing a different game than the power gamer crowd
 

Zaphid

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It would help if GGG wasn't making it so obvious with the league achievements, where decent chunk of them can be bought and to generate that currency, you need to trade.
 

khalid

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It would help if GGG wasn't making it so obvious with the league achievements, where decent chunk of them can be bought and to generate that currency, you need to trade.
Yes, trading is an essential part of the game if you want to do endgame decently. However, it takes 30 seconds to set up acquisition. Yeah, I guess it would be nice if they had an ingame tool, but I doubt its search would be as comprehensive as poe.xyz.

In practice the barrier to trade is pretty low, so if you choose not to use it, that is on you. POE just isn't balanced for self-found, Diablo III is.
 

a_skeleton_03

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I talked to the Poe.xyz devs in IRC and he was trying to find a way to monetize but just didn't see a good way that wasn't just a cash grab.
 

Tenks

Bronze Knight of the Realm
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Yes, trading is an essential part of the game if you want to do endgame decently. However, it takes 30 seconds to set up acquisition. Yeah, I guess it would be nice if they had an ingame tool, but I doubt its search would be as comprehensive as poe.xyz.

In practice the barrier to trade is pretty low, so if you choose not to use it, that is on you. POE just isn't balanced for self-found, Diablo III is.
The barrier for purchasing is low but the barrier for listing really fucking sucks
 

Pyros

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It's not so hard to setup, but you do need a 3rd party program to do it for you otherwise it's a fucking mess. Then you make like 1alch 1chaos 2chaos 3chaos 5chaos 10chaos tabs or whatever, drop all the gear you want to sell in there, and set it to autoupdate every 30mins or whatever, and it's done.

Main issue I've found with the whole trading, and especially selling, is the constant fucking breaks from gameplay. If you sell a lot of shit, especially low cost shit, you have to basically spend like what seems to be 10-20% of your time trading, TPing back, finding the items, then back into play and shit.

That's why an AH system is so much better, in terms of quality of life. You just drop your shit on there, then later on you collect your money. On the other hand, it's a lot harder to use an AH to get really good deals like you can with the current trade system in poe, plus there's the currency shit where if you're short say a chaos generally if you ask if they want like fuses instead they'll take them, but can't do that with an AH.

Maybe if they had a system where you set up a NPC in your hidehout that sells your shit for you that'd be great, so you can just accept invite, let them find the item on the NPC and buy it, while you keep playing.

It isn't so bad self found until higher tiers of maps though. I mostly play self found, just buying a weapon or something when I need a new one, and I rarely bother to sell shit, and I do fine up to like 80-85. It's when you start going higher that you really need the good gear with right rolls and to roll your maps so you need a ton of currency so you need to sell a lot of shit.
 

Tenks

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I'm not even paranoid but installing 3rd party software to do stuff on behalf of my account just felt wrong and shady. You are forced to view a YouTube tutorial to do everything from how to obtain your SessionID from the forums, what to download (which will be out of date), how to set up the basics, how to plug in your shop's forum thread, how to obtain an Online/Offline token ... its a fucking nightmare.
 

Pyros

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I'm not even paranoid but installing 3rd party software to do stuff on behalf of my account just felt wrong and shady. You are forced to view a YouTube tutorial to do everything from how to obtain your SessionID from the forums, what to download (which will be out of date), how to set up the basics, how to plug in your shop's forum thread, how to obtain an Online/Offline token ... its a fucking nightmare.
Oh yeah it's definitely not easy to setup the first time. I mean it's not hard, it's fucking annoying though, especially if you don't want to just link your account info onto the shit. Once it's setup, it's pretty easy to use, but they should really get a better system. Which I guess is what we're getting with Ascendency, or some sort of thing like that not sure.
 

Tenks

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Another big issue is so many guides are out of date and not compatible with everything. Granted most of the new ways are tons, tons easier than the old ways but you have to figure out what the "current" way is of setting all this shit up. It would be nice if Poe.trade had a landing page for a "getting started selling" with updated information. Because as it stands you have to google around and look at a ton of threads on the forums to figure out what you actually have to do. Like Acquisition is the "most modern" program (at least 2 months ago...) to use but almost every guide out there is for Procurement unless you specifically search for information about Acquisition.
 

Arcaus_sl

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My biggest issue with the game is the lack of tree resets. Some times you want to try a different build. Sure, the pros might be able to max out in 2 hours but some of us Plebs can't.
 

Tenks

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What are you guys rolling to Ascend? I'm thinking of just going with a basic melee either Ground Slam or Cyclone.
 

kitsune

Golden Knight of the Realm
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For the first character I am going to make something fairly straight forward, lots of life and either a strong spell (depending on patch notes, really) or maybe bows. I would very much recommend not doing things like summoner, chaos innoculation, low life, spectral throw etc right off the bat because it's usually very steep in the gear requirement and not very strong otherwise.

Also damn a whole lot of negativity up there. Honestly, doing higher end maps is not hard and not needed before you are actually a high level. My ranger still gets about 5-6% per T11 map at level 91, and I clear them in about 5 minutes. Plus, this league I've always had enough red maps to run them consistently if I wanted to, but it really does require a sturdy build because the damage mods can get quite insane. I will say this, if you haven't managed to get gems to level 20, you should not complain about not getting to run a T13-15. T12 maybe, but that's also stretching it
 

Zaphid

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I'm definitely not playing anything melee, I think siege ballista or w/e that ranger totem is could be fun with low gear requirements to start, along with the new bow that let's you have +1 out.

Can you sustain T11 maps though ? I believe most people end up running T7-8s at some point until RNG aligns again. Now if you die, that's a lot of time down the drain, especially when it's game skipping frames, lagging or some other stuff that is hard to avoid and the game doesn't bother to exactly clarify what killed you.
 

kitsune

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I'm definitely not playing anything melee, I think siege ballista or w/e that ranger totem is could be fun with low gear requirements to start, along with the new bow that let's you have +1 out.

Can you sustain T11 maps though ? I believe most people end up running T7-8s at some point until RNG aligns again. Now if you die, that's a lot of time down the drain, especially when it's game skipping frames, lagging or some other stuff that is hard to avoid and the game doesn't bother to exactly clarify what killed you.
I think I have about 30 or so T11 maps at the moment (all crematorium and academy because I hate those) without really trying. I run out of chisels though so I usually just alch and go now except red maps, I buy chisels for those and chaos if the mods are annoying. I do play TSC though as I'm done with hardcore, but I've never been as rich as I have in this league due to farming, trading etc. And well, I did get lucky and get Atziri's Acuity to drop so I could technically sell that for a buttload of exalts
 

Fogel

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They have made a bunch of huge buffs to map sustainability - Including the new changes to the zana mods, most notably they reduced the price of some down to as low as 2 chaos. For example anarchy with 4 guaranteed exiles is only 2 chaos, that's amazing. Myself, I'm thinking of going 2h axe jugernaught - I'm thinking of running 10 endurance charges, with passive thats 44% phys reduction before armor, who needs lightning coil!? Plus the mod that prevents you from being slowed is massive. I'd say 3/4 of my death's have been from unexpected slow downs and getting dog piled. Plus it makes temp chains on maps almost free % quant/packsize.
 

kitsune

Golden Knight of the Realm
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I am actually really hyped about the new ring which allows you to have a free aura with blood magic. I think we'll see some really tanky beefcakes next league. I'm very interested in seeing someone with say 10k hp without kaom's heart while still wrecking faces
 

Tenks

Bronze Knight of the Realm
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Whats probably going to be the least item intensive fastest clearing build once Ascend drops? I was just kind of assuming Ground Slam/Leap Slam. The Ascendency subclasses seemed very well suited for it.
 

Caliane

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Enchantments. Working on uniques. what even the fuck.


Very cool idea.. But ffs the RNG it seems like, is obscene. The variance for balance on this stuff seems crazy.

-20% reduced mana anger, Alpha's howl?

how do you make builds with this much RNG on build making gear?
 

Shaod

Trakanon Raider
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My biggest issue with the game is the lack of tree resets. Some times you want to try a different build. Sure, the pros might be able to max out in 2 hours but some of us Plebs can't.
That's not actually a really big deal endgame. Apart from Standard, Regrets are only about 1 - 1.5 chaos each. With those rates you can do almost a full respec for the price of an ex, and then you get another 24 or 26 for free playing through the campaign.