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Kiroy
Marine Biologist
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At 90+ if I hit half way to the next level I play it 100% safe. I don't min/max my atlas like kurupt so a death = about 1.5-2.5 hours of lost time for my gameplay.
Zog
Blackwing Lair Raider
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Can't seem to get into the league..
Think I played way too much legacy and burned out. Sucks because there's all this new shit but I can't seem to enjoy the game.
All the new changes make it seem like wanders got fucked which sucks because I really enjoy kinetic blast.
Anyone rolled a wander yet that can verify if they are still viable?
Think I played way too much legacy and burned out. Sucks because there's all this new shit but I can't seem to enjoy the game.
All the new changes make it seem like wanders got fucked which sucks because I really enjoy kinetic blast.
Anyone rolled a wander yet that can verify if they are still viable?
zombiewizardhawk
Potato del Grande
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Ele wanders are probably the only ones who took a decent hit with the ES changes (not sure what kind of ES people are getting with low-life builds and not sure if it's viable without vaal pact any more), phys and chaos based ones are probably still OP.
Why do you think wand is a worse bow build?
Why do you think wand is a worse bow build?
Zog
Blackwing Lair Raider
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Didn't even think about the es changes... Ugh, I had around 30 ex worth of gear and barely scraped 6k es with low life last league...
But that's mainly due to being pushed to use prism guardian to get respectable DPS.
With all the new mods for ailments it should be even harder trying to make a physical wand.
Kinetic blast was by far my most enjoyable skill to use in the game, it was able to deal with packs easily as well as having huge single target damage against walls.
As mathil would say, it just feels good.
But that's mainly due to being pushed to use prism guardian to get respectable DPS.
With all the new mods for ailments it should be even harder trying to make a physical wand.
Kinetic blast was by far my most enjoyable skill to use in the game, it was able to deal with packs easily as well as having huge single target damage against walls.
As mathil would say, it just feels good.
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How did phys and chaos wanders fare better with the ES changes?
They are a worse bow build because:
- No movement skill. Unless you count lightning warp or flame dash, both which are going to have no cast speed benefits.
- No 6 link weapon, so you can't use a Kaom's Heart.
- No King of The Hill.
- Leech nodes far away from wand nodes.
So, I reached act 8 now with my self made build without looking anything up.
Bosses destroy me. I have no ranged. I got sunder and molten strike with some gems that make both of those better. Damage comes from elemental attributes and the mix of fire and ice. The regular maps in the acts are very easy, and I can face tank nearly everything there with no problems including unique, but bosses... Got to phase two of the second labyrinth and the boss killed me in a second once it hit. Regular boss before that (forgot name, some lady in a sewer that spit out red balls everywhere) I won by outright just zerg. Die, run in do damage while spamming all my health pots, die, repeat.
Not sure if I continue and hope that I'm just missing a skill or two to make it better or just reroll at this point. I don't see how I can do end game things with this build now considering I do have max resists and not sure how to increase survivability that much.
That said, really enjoyed it. I've gone really slow, exploring all maps and listening / reading all dialogue. Lore and overall voice acting is surprisingly good.
Bosses destroy me. I have no ranged. I got sunder and molten strike with some gems that make both of those better. Damage comes from elemental attributes and the mix of fire and ice. The regular maps in the acts are very easy, and I can face tank nearly everything there with no problems including unique, but bosses... Got to phase two of the second labyrinth and the boss killed me in a second once it hit. Regular boss before that (forgot name, some lady in a sewer that spit out red balls everywhere) I won by outright just zerg. Die, run in do damage while spamming all my health pots, die, repeat.
Not sure if I continue and hope that I'm just missing a skill or two to make it better or just reroll at this point. I don't see how I can do end game things with this build now considering I do have max resists and not sure how to increase survivability that much.
That said, really enjoyed it. I've gone really slow, exploring all maps and listening / reading all dialogue. Lore and overall voice acting is surprisingly good.
Tuco
I got Tuco'd!
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You might be able to salvage your character by looking up a sunder build (or whatever) and respeccing into some build-enabling skills and ditching some cruft.
That and using poe.trade to get some cheap items for an orb of alchemy.
I put off trying to trade until I beat the game and while I don't regret it, it was a mistake from an efficiency perspective. You can get a full set of gear for 1 orb of alchemy per slot. Or bump up to a chaos for a unique that you'll use once you start mapping.
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Korrupt
Blackwing Lair Raider
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I'm having a bitch of a time with map sustain. Pretty much since the beginning, butKorrupt giving me like 50 of them made it less noticeable of a problem for ~8 extra levels. Basically I do high yellows and low reds and the drops I'm getting are like 90% shit 3-5 levels below what I'm doing. I'm about to the point where I can't sustain anything above T7 (I'm L88 now and not even gaining a level a night with no deaths).
My atlas is at like 60% currently, but afaik that's not even the problem since it's just for determining whether an equal level drop bumps up to a +1 or not. I could fill it out quite a bit more, just haven't gotten around to it since buying 1 map at a time is an unholy pain in the ass.
Not sure what else to do though; I run them all rare but not 20%. I don't bother alt-regaling or scouring to look for ideal mods, I just run what an alch gives me as long as it's not Temporal Chains, because fuck that shit, even ele reflect is less annoying. I've barely shaped anything because I'm still clinging to the dream that I might someday be able to set up at least one sextant block around Racecourse or Dunes. That shouldn't matter though, right? I should still get just as many Tx drops, but they'll just be normal maps?
I have a ton more maps, I throw them all in the bank if you ever need any more its all good. I have a TON of yellow T10's and a few reds left if you guys want packages of like 40 each. I also have about 10 different 5 links that are ilvl 80 so they aren't total shit.
Zog
Blackwing Lair Raider
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This was never an issue for an ele wander because you could literally facetank everything and you don't get any wand nodes at the top of the tree if you were ele because it all came from auras. You also only got leech nodes if you didn't have vinktars + chalice. Most ran 2 vinktars if they didn't have legacy vinktars so it was up 100% of the time.
From what it sounds like you tried (assuming) a physical wander without a GG wand and didn't like it, wondering why not just use a bow.
I tried many builds, but harbingers are awfully slow, short of having broodtwine it was just clunky as fuck and barrage just didn't have the attack speed and damage to facetank shaper.
To each their own I suppose, at the same time in 2.9 you could have used any of the spectral throw double dip builds to kill shaper with less than 1ex investment using mortem morsu.
And then there was HoWA.
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Comparing builds with that much currency investment seems pointless. What build isn't overpowered when you give it near-perfect mirrored items?
I liked wanders just fine, it was powerful but really only provided the benefit of KB. Wander doesn't do anything else better than a bow build, especially now that they can't facetank anymore.
I liked wanders just fine, it was powerful but really only provided the benefit of KB. Wander doesn't do anything else better than a bow build, especially now that they can't facetank anymore.
Nirgon
Log Wizard
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Shaper effects are basically printing money for them lol ya
90+ I think the only "fast xp" comes from buying the good maps. I'm 88 and shaped racecourse is serving me well.
Korrupt
Blackwing Lair Raider
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Shaper effects look so so fucking cool IMO, I would throw them absurd amounts of money for his lair as a hideout.
Mapping past 94ish if you don't want to take 2-3x the amount of time requires currency, sextants, well rolled pack size maps, and MOST importantly a support class (necro pref).
Vorph
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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Alright, I'll try to get ahold of you tonight if you're around. Leveled from 88 to 89 off mostly T6-T8 last night and it was hell, like 35-40M xp/hr.
Korrupt
Blackwing Lair Raider
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Wow that is the struggle, Ill put aside a huge chunk of T10+ with open layouts for you.
zombiewizardhawk
Potato del Grande
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Phys and chaos wnaders didn't rely on prism guardian to stack up 6-7 auras for their dps from all the builds I saw so all they should have to do is swap from ES gear to life gear. Not using a kaom's heart doesn't make a build bad or worse than a build that uses it... Pathfinder/raider can grab the duelist area leech nodes easily.
"Comparing items with that much currency" but you're mentioning a 6link GG bow and kaoms heart to say why bow char is better?
Yeah might try that. Not traded before either, had the same thought as you. Maybe do it when I reach mapping. I don't have much money due to also inefficiently trying to learn the crafting system by myself. Spent chaos and the likes on items that turned out garbage and vendored them for a few shards. Watched DansGaming last night and saw how quick and efficient it was using poe.trade though and you are indeed right. Could have decked out my character in far better gear for the amount I used trying to upgrade my weapon.
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How does not using a Kaom's Heart not make a build worse? You're missing out on a lot of max HP.
My point with the leech nodes is that they're far away from the wand nodes, doesn't matter where you start.
I might have to reevaluate whether Kaom's Heart will be a super expensive build investment. It wasn't that pricey last league. But the point is that you CAN 6 link and still run a Kaom's. Wanders simply can't do that.
I would still put mirrored near-perfect rares on another tier of investment than things like 6L uniques and Kaom's.
Vorph
Silver Baronet of the Realm
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Kaom's is somewhat pricy, but it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than any of the 6L uniques. I love the build I'm playing and think it's easily the strongest one I've played in PoE to date, but I still wish I'd gone with a build that used a 6S Ngamahu and a Kaom. I'd have both of them now for far less currency than I've dumped into my Belly (which only just hit 5L for the first time after 500 fuses).