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Deathwing said:
I'm not sure varied currency really matters here as everything is pegged to the chaos orb already.

My recollection is that the AH in D3 made it feel like you were buying your gear instead of getting it yourself. Yes, that is already an issue with POE. Maybe making it easier is not the thing to do though.

An AH would make it easier for market manipulators to do their job.
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In Inferno levels D3 it was far easier to buy your gear to advance because getting it yourself was incredibly challenging. D3 then went the extreme route with zero market and class apportionment SSF. Also adding real money to the market made it shady as fuck, and Blizzard raked in the cash until it was obvious the system was fucked and governments started sniffing around about the legalities of real money on a globe-spanning game.

I don't know if an AH would make the system worse or better. I DO know that the system is already being manipulated so will it be better or worse? In a Free To Play game the lack of capital required for account entry makes AH trading rules somewhat easier to bypass. I would be totally on-board with a subscription fee or a box fee and some more stringent rules but we are too late in the game for that.

Trading sucks. It is easy as pie, annoying as shit, and frustrating the longer you go in the league. And the single most polarizing issue in the game.
 
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You forget that Blizzard massaged drop rates to make people use the RMAH from the very beginning.

As long as GGG leaves the drop rates alone, having an AH (or something fucking similar that I don't have to spam 20 messages to find someone who thinks it is worth their time to trade chaos for exalts) seems like it would fix a ton of issues without having much of a downside.
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GGG has explicitly said that they would have to adjust drop rates dramatically if they implemented an AH. Prices on almost everything would bottom out otherwise.

That said, your currency issue does not require an AH. Just put up a buy order next time. You'll have your currency exchanged quite quickly.
 
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If they leave the trade API open to all with an AH you can still see the relative cost of things on a POE.ninja or whatever. But the main draw of the AH is cumulative small sells instead of bulk everything. I just don't pick up shit that is worth 1 alch - 1c because it is a pain to sell. If we had an AH i'd pick it up, toss in on, and then just see if it sells. It is so much more intuitive than what is going on now. Plus, and this is a huge one, it will free up tons of stash space.
 
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Isnt the poe.trade thing already a pseudo auction house? Only thing being is you have to message the person and go to their hideout to buy?
 
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I'm hesitant about a free for all AH personally even though the qol would be nice. If you could figure out the proper limitations to prevent automated abuse i'd be fine with it though.
Just off the top of my head i thought of a 5-10 purchases/sales per day limit to prevent someone automating the whole thing. But since you can have unlimited accounts that doesn't actually help.

And to limit the amount of whispers you have to send people. You can move down the list and pay a premium or put up your own sell orders. Bought several thousand alts this league by putting my chaos up for sale ezpz.
 
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Deathwing said:
GGG has explicitly said that they would have to adjust drop rates dramatically if they implemented an AH. Prices on almost everything would bottom out otherwise.

That said, your currency issue does not require an AH. Just put up a buy order next time. You'll have your currency exchanged quite quickly.
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Adjust the drop rates on what, exactly? I guarantee you that there would not be a significant spike in magic/rare armor traded on an AH because it is such a pain in the ass to pick up and identify/price. If we are talking about cards, maps and the like; I bet I could actually live with 50% less drops of all of that stuff if I could go to an AH to sell my unused stuff and buy someone else's instead of all of us having it sitting in stash tabs.

Come to think of it, I bet they don't implement it because it is a loser for GGG/Tencent because it means less stash tabs. I would never need the Essence tab because I would sell them all the minute I got them.
 
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Problem with a proper AH is people first to maps and amassing the coin at the start of the league would pretty much control the market on items currency. I know they do this now, but this problem would be exacerbated if a proper AH came in. Plus you have the whole china/currency thing too, which they have a shit ton because of all the people they have farming in order to control the market on certain things.
 
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Adjust the drop rates on what, exactly? I guarantee you that there would not be a significant spike in magic/rare armor traded on an AH because it is such a pain in the ass to pick up and identify/price. If we are talking about cards, maps and the like; I bet I could actually live with 50% less drops of all of that stuff if I could go to an AH to sell my unused stuff and buy someone else's instead of all of us having it sitting in stash tabs.

Come to think of it, I bet they don't implement it because it is a loser for GGG/Tencent because it means less stash tabs. I would never need the Essence tab because I would sell them all the minute I got them.
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They would adjust the drop rates on stuff you deem worth picking up currently. And it wouldn't be 50%. I'm guessing 90 - 95%. Every one of you would become a Vorph, complaining about the drops he hasn't received yet.

Your stash tab comment is short sighted. Even if that were true(I don't think it is, but of course we don't have those numbers), they could easily exploit "AH Stash Tabs" for much more money than the Essence tab will ever bring in. You're operating under the assumption that your auctions will move quickly. I'm sure you have memories of your Auctioneer reclaiming tens or hundreds of expired auctions in WoW.
 
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Yeah I dont see why they wouldnt just sell "AH stash tabs" if they do implement AH. Youre thinking it would be set up like WoW did their AH, when in reality they could set it up any way they wanted.

One thing that does suck in the current system is it pretty much is a bother to trade. Like how much is my time worth to me when im mapping to stop, portal to hideout search for item and wait for schlep to pay up. Is it an alch? Is it a chaos? Everybody has their own threshold. I know I would not do it for less than a few chaos personally, especially when league is up and running and youre time is worth more with each passing map you do.
 
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Deathwing said:
You edited out the rest of my response that directly addresses this. Are you always this much of a faggot?

I don't have a problem with SSF. Don't expect GGG to directly design for it though.
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The rest of the comment doesn't address this though. The rest of your comment says that it's an "issue" and maybe "buying" your gear isn't the way to solve this. Almost as if you're offhandedly dismissing it as something that needs to be solved.

Look, it's obvious you enjoy time-consuming, mindless, meaningless tasks like sending a copy/pasted message and waiting for a response/invite as opposed to an automated process in the form of an AH. So, with that in mind, what is your solution to the extraneous system that is currently PoE trade? Let me guess, it'll involve more, pointless timesinks? Or wait..I think you called them "investments".
 
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I don't give a toss what anyone says, this game would be 100x better with an auction house. As for the market and the economy, it couldn't possibly be any worse than it already is in the trade league.
 
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Kirun said:
The rest of the comment doesn't address this though. The rest of your comment says that it's an "issue" and maybe "buying" your gear isn't the way to solve this. Almost as if you're offhandedly dismissing it as something that needs to be solved.

Look, it's obvious you enjoy time-consuming, mindless, meaningless tasks like sending a copy/pasted message and waiting for a response/invite as opposed to an automated process in the form of an AH. So, with that in mind, what is your solution to the extraneous system that is currently PoE trade? Let me guess, it'll involve more, pointless timesinks? Or wait..I think you called them "investments".
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Let me know when you're willing to have an honest conversation. You've (purposefully?) misconstrued multiple points or made up things I've quite obviously never said, leading me to believe you're malicious or brain damaged.
 
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The multitude of currency options and the exchange rates on them fluctuating is also different than pure gold AH like D3 was.

An AH in this game would see leveling uniques move more and other low level stuff.

I don’t think it’s not going to do zero damage to the economy but not sure it’s going to instantly make the game boring because you buy everything with a click. Maybe they can make it like EQ where you at least have to go the hideout and only people actively online. That would encourage a lot of AFK strain on the server though so maybe not.
 
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Well they could try it for a league and see how it does, with telling people that there is no expectations they would keep it. that would be a real test. Who the fuck knows what impact it would have on the economy. I still think the china gold sellers would have more control over stuff though then they already do.
 
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Deathwing said:
Let me know when you're willing to have an honest conversation. You've (purposefully?) misconstrued multiple points or made up things I've quite obviously never said, leading me to believe you're malicious or brain damaged.
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I'm willing if you're willing. As long as you aren't going to misconstrue my points about GGG's systems as me just wanting "easy mode" (and maybe you weren't, but that's where it seemed like your train of thought was heading). I'm honestly curious as to why you think the current trade system is a better alternative to some form of an AH.

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I don’t think it’s not going to do zero damage to the economy but not sure it’s going to instantly make the game boring because you buy everything with a click. Maybe they can make it like EQ where you at least have to go the hideout and only people actively online. That would encourage a lot of AFK strain on the server though so maybe not.
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I'd be fine with only allowing postings to appear if you're online. It'd also save the system from having millions upon millions of items listed at all times. Just add an afk-kick timer of an hour or two. I also think adding a limit of 50 or so postings a day would help stave off some of the botting and manipulation. It obviously wouldn't completely eliminate it (nothing really will), but it'd offer some ablation.

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Well they could try it for a league and see how it does, with telling people that there is no expectations they would keep it. that would be a real test. Who the fuck knows what impact it would have on the economy. I still think the china gold sellers would have more control over stuff though then they already do.
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An "AH" league where they throw in some bullshit, simple mechanic like breach, legion, metamorph, etc. would be an awesome test to see how greatly/poorly it'd affect the economy. I love that idea.
 
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It's not easy mode to want an auction house, it's saving you time. I don't game every hour of every waking day like a streamer and my in game time is pretty limited. I'd prefer it if my time playing the game wasn't wasted by plebs trying to steal my items or waiting 20 fucking minutes dealing with bullshit as I need a specific map/item for some reason.

And as for their argument about it being about player interaction and community, GGG can shove that up their ass. Everyone on my ignore list is there because of trading.
 
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Instead of this AH talk, have a new jewel, this time a rolled one so people stop whining about how the new jewels are terrible because they don't understand a 1 affix blue jewel is obviously going to be shit

The notable is so so, but the buffed travel nodes are pretty fucking good, chaos multi is very valuable and each node also comes with a bunch of other stats.

One interesting trend is they've shown quite a few resist affixes on these jewels. It seems it might be possible to get a lot of resists from the new jewels and as such focus your gear on damage instead.
 
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I honestly don't experience much trouble trading for the items I want using the official trade page. The past couple of leagues I have used PoE Map Live to trade for all the maps I need. It doesn't feel that bad.
 
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Kirun said:
I'm willing if you're willing. As long as you aren't going to misconstrue my points about GGG's systems as me just wanting "easy mode" (and maybe you weren't, but that's where it seemed like your train of thought was heading). I'm honestly curious as to why you think the current trade system is a better alternative to some form of an AH.



I'd be fine with only allowing postings to appear if you're online. It'd also save the system from having millions upon millions of items listed at all times. Just add an afk-kick timer of an hour or two. I also think adding a limit of 50 or so postings a day would help stave off some of the botting and manipulation. It obviously wouldn't completely eliminate it (nothing really will), but it'd offer some ablation.



An "AH" league where they throw in some bullshit, simple mechanic like breach, legion, metamorph, etc. would be an awesome test to see how greatly/poorly it'd affect the economy. I love that idea.
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I never said that you wanted it easy mode. I said that I think map sustain in 3.9 is too easy. Easy is relative, so when I say it's too easy for me, doesn't mean I'm condemning what you want as easy mode. I've gone over the why, I'm basically in agreement with Mr. Creed and Pyros.

For the negatives an AH would likely bring, I'll take the devil I know. There are tools and methodologies to work around most of the negatives involved with the current trade system. Just like previous methods of map sustain, knowing how to work the trade market is almost like character progression itself. If you simplify it too much with an AH, you take the choices out of it. Then it becomes a mindless chore instead of something you can optionally strategize and optimize.
 
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knowing how to work the trade market is almost like character progression itself. If you simplify it too much with an AH, you take the choices out of it. Then it becomes a mindless chore instead of something you can optionally strategize and optimize.
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How would an AH "simplify" the market? What does copy/pasting a message and looking up things for sale on poe.trade add to the complexity of the current system?
 
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