Pregnancy Thread
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So you are saying you believe in "legitimate rape" then? People get pregnant all the time even in warzones and refugee camps. They get raped and get pregnant even when they can't look in a mirror without puking because they are so reviled by the site of themselves after that trauma. Still pregnant. Stress in a bedroom about grandma complaining she has no great-grandkids is not causing it alone.
Just stop worrying and it will happen isn't the right way to approach it, neither is stress being any cause.
Really awesome pamphlets and some good information in them sure. Where is the science though? Where is the citation to an actual scientific study proving that. They started off citing two numbers and I was so excited but alas then it was all just soft science.
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So wait - you take an extreme position, I say no, that's quite untrue, and now you call me out for being wrong because YOU were the one who posted incorrect info? Heh no princess, not gonna work.
Are you mentally fucking retarded? How you went from what I and the article said to "stress prevents all pregnancies" boggles my mind.
You linked a WebMD article, no I didn't read it.
I despise the people that say stress is even a factor at all based on some kind of pseudo soft science bullshit they heard from other people. I can't tell if you support "stress prevents pregnancy" it looks like you do, at least 30% of the time.
I am not attacking you or Etoille. I know it's a popular belief. It isn't a scientific belief though and it needs to stop being perpetuated. When someone tells you don't think of elephants the first thing you think about is elephants. When someone is stressed about getting pregnant and you say that stress is an issue so just calm down and don't be stressed well it just compounds the issue. The correct response when a person says they are trying to get pregnant is: "good luck, we are ordering pizza and do you want sausage or just plain pepperoni, we are thinking sausage" and you move on. Nothing else. Don't get involved, don't help by telling them to not be stressed, don't link them WebMD articles, and tell them if they have problems to see a fertility specialist and leave it at that.
If you OneofOne don't buy into the stress thing I am sorry that it felt like I was singling you out or snapping at you.
I'm not sure about how it effects getting pregnant, but stress can increase the likelyhood of miscarriage once you're already pregnant. The operating theory is that cortisol can lower the production of progesterone, which is critical in early fetal viability. And yes, here's a real study. The abstract is in research-speak, but it's there.
"the following were independently associated with increased risk... feeling stressed (including trend with number of stressful or traumatic events)"
Risk factors for first trimester miscarriage Gynaecology - Wiley Online Library
Edit: Much better discussion from 2006 NIH study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1533790/
"the following were independently associated with increased risk... feeling stressed (including trend with number of stressful or traumatic events)"
Risk factors for first trimester miscarriage Gynaecology - Wiley Online Library
Edit: Much better discussion from 2006 NIH study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1533790/
No. I gave an example of the type of gravity of stress needed to impact fertility. You were reducing it to "well if you try and look under the hood that's counterproductive". Which is stupid bullshit that as a_skeleton_03 and no doubt others on this board know first hand have said that needs to stop being perpetuated. Same with the 'stress causes miscarriage' crap. You have to be talking about extreme levels of the stuff. Further its counterproductive - even if you were right (which as we've established you aren't) what exactly do you think telling someone "stress will make it worse" is going to achieve? Its going to induce guilt and more stress in the mother. "Oh by all means since you said stop worrying about it let me stop right fucking now." You said something which I consider to be very insensitive to those struggling with IF - lashing out and changing the goal posts of your initial argument isn't saved by the fact that my particular example was an extreme one - when the level of stress required for your theory to be true is actually extreme. I'm sorry that it took you guys 2 years to conceive but it wasn't anything she or you did wrong by 'worrying' about it - your RNG was just particularly unkind or you had an underlying IF issue that eventually the RNG beat. Or you weren't hitting the fertility window (operator error is extremely common and is not something to beat yourself up over either - there really is a lack of information about trying to conceive - if you guys were temping and charting for 2 years and hitting every other day in the fertility window then that would be considered 2 years of perfect TTC in which it really was RNG fuckery). I simply am not going to shit on people who have trouble trying to conceive. You can take a different path if you choose.
@a_skeleton_03 - I'm comfortable with the summary statements put out by APA and ASFM for the stats - again these have been repeated by multiple friends of mine who have IF who received the same info from their doctors (and at least one person here) - I"m sure there are plenty of studies if you want to go google them yourself
.I don't want to google studies because I have just as many people on this forum that were 100% multiple times including myself. I have a myriad of friends also that have never been told a percentage while they were going through issues getting pregnant because spouting off some number like that doesn't help, it only "stresses" the people out.
I know you are emotionally tied to your friends and therefore you don't care about anything but their feelings but you can't just toss out feel good pamphlets to placate their fears.
I find it interesting you are still sticking to the stance that "only wartime and refugee camp and rapes are stressful enough to prevent pregnancy" despite the clear evidence to the contrary. You realize that is the basis behind the evil Republicans and their comment about "legitimate rape" right? You should be ashamed of that stance. Your friends would kick you out of Stroller Moms on Wednesday's for sure.
I know you are emotionally tied to your friends and therefore you don't care about anything but their feelings but you can't just toss out feel good pamphlets to placate their fears.
I find it interesting you are still sticking to the stance that "only wartime and refugee camp and rapes are stressful enough to prevent pregnancy" despite the clear evidence to the contrary. You realize that is the basis behind the evil Republicans and their comment about "legitimate rape" right? You should be ashamed of that stance. Your friends would kick you out of Stroller Moms on Wednesday's for sure.
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Holy hell is this my lesson on don't get involved in conversations with people that have FAR too much emotional investment in the topic? It just might be! You need to calm the fuck down Mrs. Condescending Know-It-All.
The fact remains, stress is one of the causes of difficulties in conceiving a baby. It can affect the quantity, quality, and motility of sperm, and can affect the timing of release of eggs, or simply outright prevent it (but that's in more extreme cases of stress - regardless of what a_skeleton_03 wants to say about that). And I'm not talking about "omg wartime/my sister was just car-jacked and shot in the head 3x" kind of stress, but normal stress from your occupation, relationships, and yes, even from having difficulties/major run of bad luck in trying to conceive.
If you want to deny this, fine. I don't care, and you're simply too emotionally invested in this for me to want to continue, but for anyone ELSE feel free to peruse google or whatever, and see for yourself. I'm totally going to appeal to authority here. The Chief of ObGyn and RS at UCSF Medical Center (a professional friend of my wife's) personally mentioned stress to us as a factor in conceiving during our difficulties. UCSF is one of the highest ranked medical centers in the world - both in research and in education - so when the Chief of a department there gives advice, I'm going to give it a lot of weight.
The fact remains, stress is one of the causes of difficulties in conceiving a baby. It can affect the quantity, quality, and motility of sperm, and can affect the timing of release of eggs, or simply outright prevent it (but that's in more extreme cases of stress - regardless of what a_skeleton_03 wants to say about that). And I'm not talking about "omg wartime/my sister was just car-jacked and shot in the head 3x" kind of stress, but normal stress from your occupation, relationships, and yes, even from having difficulties/major run of bad luck in trying to conceive.
If you want to deny this, fine. I don't care, and you're simply too emotionally invested in this for me to want to continue, but for anyone ELSE feel free to peruse google or whatever, and see for yourself. I'm totally going to appeal to authority here. The Chief of ObGyn and RS at UCSF Medical Center (a professional friend of my wife's) personally mentioned stress to us as a factor in conceiving during our difficulties. UCSF is one of the highest ranked medical centers in the world - both in research and in education - so when the Chief of a department there gives advice, I'm going to give it a lot of weight.
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