Puzzles and Dragons

Rolled a Kushinade on JP server... been steamrolling through ranks...I am at rank 27 now... loving poring tower + money dungeon.

Who the hell is voting for Venus, or Viper?

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Just for anyone curious, the players choice vote standings as of yesterday(13th). It ends today, so the only real drama is whether Umi&Yama will hold off Amaterasu.


========= Vote Tally =========
Archangel Lucifer - 729
Dark Angel Metatron - 444
Odin - 281
Hades - 260
Kushinadahime - 249
Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya - 228
Horus - 210
Yomi - 206
Viper Orochi - 163
Bastet - 154
Incarnation of Byakko, Haku - 140
Odin, the War Deity - 139
Neptune - 136
Venus - 129
Umisachi&Yamasachi - 125
Amaterasu - 124
Ares - 89
Persephone - 89
Isis - 87
Kagutsuchi - 71
Ra - 62
Ceres - 60
Anubis - 58
Baal - 55
Fallen Angel Lucifer - 55
Izanagi - 54
Archangel Raphael - 51
Archangel Metatron - 50
Astaroth - 41
Vritra - 40
Okuninushi - 39
Hermes - 38
Loki - 36
Indra - 34
Parvati - 34
Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei - 33
Artemis - 33
Idunn&Idunna - 32
Incarnation of Seiryuu, Karin - 31
Archangel Gabriel - 31
Apollo - 30
Susano - 28
Archangel Michael - 25
Minerva - 25
Archangel Uriel - 24
Incarnation of Suzaku, Leilan - 23
Freyja - 18
Belial - 17
Shiva - 16
Amon - 16
Thor - 14
Freyr - 12
Lakshmi - 8
Ame no Uzume - 7

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I got a Persephone and wife got a Hades out of the REM last night. The other rolls were mystic knight junk.

I've asked before, but is there any sort of *logical* progress to this game? I've been playing for 34 days, yet feel no more powerful than I did before. Sure, I've unlocked a few technical dungeons, I'm almost through Tower of the Saint-Deep(just need to level my ogre a bit), but almost anything master level kicks the holy hell out of me. There are a *few* expert stages I can do, but I've still yet to complete any descended dungeon. I've checked the PAD forums, looked at the "recommended" teams on PADX, yet they almost all suggest monsters which drop out of descends. How in the fuck do you complete a descend, if you're unable to get those monsters?

I just don't get the logical point A, to B, to C, of this game. It seems to play as one giant, disjointed mess.

Start...
Complete Castle of Satan
Farm Tier 1 Technical and start the pengdra cycle...

Pengdra Cycle - Thursday Dragon Plants, Jewel Dragons during Hunts, Pengdras on Mondays etc

Prepare a suitable team to clear Hera Descended...

3-4 Heras gives you a gravity team... now descends only have 34.3% HP... if you can survive 35 rounds. So you find a Seraph of Dawn Lucifer friend... and LOLCANNON to victory.

If you arent increasing in power... you are either team limited or skills limited.

You are jumping into the game with lots of content available... alot of which is now considered useless due to new stuff that was released... so it makes sense that you cannot tackle the mythicals.


As for who is voting for the terrible gods... its the same people who are rank 240+ and still leading with ADK

Got a Persephone with my 1 roll - already have a Lucifer though so may not use her much.

Current Project: Max Skill Busty Sky Dragons.. skillups/attempts
Red: 1/9
Blue: 2/13
Green: 0/5
Light: 1/9
Dark: 1/8
Special Green: 0/3

Still cant imagine ever actually using these things... but whatever.

Kirun_sl said:

I got a Persephone and wife got a Hades out of the REM last night. The other rolls were mystic knight junk.

I've asked before, but is there any sort of *logical* progress to this game? I've been playing for 34 days, yet feel no more powerful than I did before. Sure, I've unlocked a few technical dungeons, I'm almost through Tower of the Saint-Deep(just need to level my ogre a bit), but almost anything master level kicks the holy hell out of me. There are a *few* expert stages I can do, but I've still yet to complete any descended dungeon. I've checked the PAD forums, looked at the "recommended" teams on PADX, yet they almost all suggest monsters which drop out of descends. How in the fuck do you complete a descend, if you're unable to get those monsters?

I just don't get the logical point A, to B, to C, of this game. It seems to play as one giant, disjointed mess.

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I had a similar problem starting out. It's definitely overwhelming at first, especially reading the forums if you jump into a discussion geared towards people who've been playing since the game was released in the US.

The main thing is having a good leader, especially one that you can build a team around using only farmable monsters. I use Haku, and even with shitty subs all I need is a second Haku from a friend and I can beat any Expert I've tried (except Weekend tri-color of course--I use AB Bluebird lead with Isis/Bastet friend for that) with relative ease. Even if I had the worst luck imaginable at the REM I could still build a great team for her--Hera, Hera-Is, Siegfried, Echidna, Duke Vampire, CDK, FKK, etc. are all farmable. Who is your primary leader?

Like Df~ said, Hera should be your first descend. I'm waiting for her to come around again this month and I expect to be able to win without much trouble at all. I'll be using Blue Ogre (Lv.2) / AB Bluebird / EoS Echidna and either a pair of Harpy Demons or Thunder Chimeras, depending on what I have available by then, along with Aogo's Amaterasu. You've been playing longer than me, so hopefully you also have an AB Blue available for poison duty.

After that I'm not sure what I can beat (hopefully Two Heroes) but to make it easier I intend to drop at least 40 stones on the player's choice godfest and hope I get some of the subs I need (another Haku, and either Hades or Yomi) as well as something to make a second team with for dungeons that aren't really suited to Haku's style (Lucifer/Dtron/one of the Odins). I'm pretty disappointed that Loki isn't going to make the cut for the godfest though. Right now there's only 8 out of the 15 I would actually want; the others are mostly good gods, but I have no interest in working on a team for another spike leader when I already have Haku.

I'd also suggest watching some ofZydoran's videos. Quite a few of them are for newer players who only use a REM leader and farmable trash. He also made me realize that I was terrible at matching and that I needed to match more sets per turn and also not leave shit all over the place so that it ruined my following turns.

Edit: What's your rank btw? Half-sta Tower of Giants gets boring as hell after a while, but I can't deny how good it is for ranking up non-stop on the weekends. I plan my ranks out so that I use all my stamina on either the weekend dungeon or whatever special is running (SSP for Echidna, for instance) and cover the rest of the level with 3 sta clears of Dragons of the Tower. From what I've read you can get to at least the low 80's without ever having to wait for stamina to regen if you do it that way. Having ~60 sta and 90+ team cost will be the biggest improvement I can make, imo. Should be a huge difference from being stuck with dubs because of how much Haku and Keeper of Rainbow cost (25 each).

Vorph_sl said:

Who is your primary leader?

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Currently, I'm using Ancient Dragon Knight Zeel, but I did pull a Persephone last night. I'm just not sure how to build around her. I'm assuming I should farm up a Vampire and I have a CDD, but I'm not sure what else is good that's farmable.

Like Df~ said, Hera should be your first descend. I'm waiting for her to come around again this month and I expect to be able to win without much trouble at all. I'll be using Blue Ogre (Lv.2) / AB Bluebird / EoS Echidna and either a pair of Harpy Demons or Thunder Chimeras, depending on what I have available by then, along with Aogo's Amaterasu. You've been playing longer than me, so hopefully you also have an AB Blue available for poison duty.

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Yeah, I have all the pieces for that. Birds, ogre, echidna, and I'm working on leveling up the demons.

Edit: What's your rank btw? Half-sta Tower of Giants gets boring as hell after a while, but I can't deny how good it is for ranking up non-stop on the weekends. I plan my ranks out so that I use all my stamina on either the weekend dungeon or whatever special is running (SSP for Echidna, for instance) and cover the rest of the level with 3 sta clears of Dragons of the Tower. From what I've read you can get to at least the low 80's without ever having to wait for stamina to regen if you do it that way. Having ~60 sta and 90+ team cost will be the biggest improvement I can make, imo. Should be a huge difference from being stuck with dubs because of how much Haku and Keeper of Rainbow cost (25 each).

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I'm 80 now. I've been farming a lot of the Eternal Peace level of Tower of the Saint-Deep, in order to level/evolve my ripper dragons. I still have yet to see another green, after I sold my initial one, before I was aware of what its value was.

Intrinsic_sl said:

I'd say you're fine then. If you already have your pieces for Hera, and have Rippers for resists and nukes. Just sounds like you're in that transitional phase where you need Hera, Two Heroes, or one of the other early descends. Doing the Mythical dungeons is all about putting together a plan based on the boss abilities and your box. It isn't something anyone can do by just running the standard or technical dungeons and walking in to Hera and clearing (without using an absurd amount of stones).

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Right, I get all that. So, once I have a Hera or two, that's able to help you tackle the later descends? Gravity is that important?

Gravity is an instant 30% dmg.

So lets say you are trying to kill off Zeus... 3853936HP to start...

Gravity1: 2697755HP Left
Gravity2: 1888428HP Left
Gravity3: 1321900HP Left
SoDLucifer Nuke: 721900HP left

Its the highest DPS skill you have access to for a VERY VERY VERY long time.


As for some other stuff... RAINBOW KEEPERS and DUB MYTHLITS. You will need them forever and always.. they are amazing out of the gate and require NO XP.


Drawn Joker is great because he is a DARK heart generator AND has good stats to boot! Much nicer than Siren!

You can look back and see alot of people using Sirens as subs to make hearts for their teams... Drawn Joker is BETTER in every way (except in difficulty to acquire AND difficulty to skill up)

Kirun_sl said:

Right, I get all that. So, once I have a Hera or two, that's able help you tackle the later descends? Gravity is that important?

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Gravity is important for a tank team, less important for a spike damage teamvlike bastet or valk, in that case you need to work on stacking multipliers and/or delays to achieve victory. although kirin or fagan quick gravity is definitely nice for some teams. The logical progression in this game is how many viable teams you can field, in order to "beat" the game you'll need at least mono colored of each team,

If you've got a tank team, a heart maker, 2 gravities, and 1 general purpose utility can tackle most descends, its just a matter of leveling and skilling up what you have.

Ao-_sl said:

Also, whoever posted this link:
Puzzle Dragons optimizer

You are amazing. My kirin team just got even more amazeballs. Now if I could just do it without the fucking cheatsheet.

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I'll take payment in handjobs.

So I wanted to burn my stam tonight but had no goal. Noticed it up and took Goemon in on Master Skydragon Rush with no planning, got kersplattered. Looked it up and went back in and finished with him. Looked at Legend numbers and decided I could maybe cheese it with Luci. Burned a stone and slapped a lowbie DJ in the team(I managed to max skill him yesterday) and ran in with Luci's, 2x Hera, Echidna, and DJ. As you can tell I didn't plan too hard. Got the green invade dragon guy to drop, but realized as I was killing him(took 3rd spot) that I'd never be able to keep up with 4th guy's damage. He'd eventually outstrip my heartmaking abilities. After dying I bailed and put some actual thought in. Slapped Siren in place of Echidna, staggered her heartmake and DJ's, and tankstrolled through the whole thing.

Sounds like a lot of work, but it really paid off with these drops.

Yeah, wife was running the expert and intermediate today. She got the black dragon to drop on one of her intermediate runs. Lucky bitch!

Honestly, the Zeel can take you a long ways, especially if you skill him up. The old standby ADK team can work REALLY well now that it's 9x (and you can even throw in a draggie for a 18x burst, but I wouldn't recommend it). ADKZ lead, ADKZ, CDKV CDKV ADKZ, ADKZ ally.

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EDIT: Yeah, I actually got a second green mystic knight, during the last godfest. Sadly, I still have yet to get a dark mystic. I plan on running a LOT of Dark Night Sword.

Final players choice tally. Keep in mind this is compiled by a bot someone made and does not filter out dupes etc, so it could shift some. Top 10 are pretty safe, rest could move a lot.


========= Vote Tally =========
Archangel Lucifer - 856
Dark Angel Metatron - 483
Odin - 327
Hades - 303
Kushinadahime - 279
Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya - 265
Horus - 238
Yomi - 225
Viper Orochi - 176
Bastet - 174
Odin, the War Deity - 166
Incarnation of Byakko, Haku - 157
Venus - 156
Amaterasu - 155
Umisachi&Yamasachi - 154
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Neptune - 152
Persephone - 104
Isis - 102
Ares - 101

I should have 4-5 rolls saved up, gonna use them and hope for a Kirin or Umi&Yama. I have 4 of the 15 and 4 or 5 of the 15 wouldn't piss me off. But I'd really like one of the two mentioned because my Horus 16x combos just are not enough of a spike, and Goemon can't be used in too many dungeons. Hopefully Kirin since I have a lot of reds.

I haven't rolled in a really long time just been spending stones on capacity and friend but still have 40 right now. Time to blow them all I guess.

I can't believe people voted Venus in... wtf. I started the game with her and have almost never used her.

Still disappointed that Loki got ignored in favor of some of that other crap. My main team can only really benefit from another Haku, with Hades and Yomi being decent subs I'd use occasionally. Hopefully my luck is better during the godfest than it was this past weekend...

Talk about infuriating --