Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge

I don't think I've ever read the word cuckold so many times in one day.

Sorry, I'm not a scientist.

But then again, the 10% number is only about actual cuckolding in the traditional usage of the word, there are many more men raising children that aren't their own intentionally.

To answer Eidal's question:

The final sentence is what really indicates to me how cynical you think. What hypothetical partner of mine is going to cuckold me with no shame? Zero. Now, the nasty sluts you and Dumar bang day/in day/out via internet dating might include some fucked up sociopathic women... but holy fuck, y'all are finding each other for a reason.

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EVERY SINGLE WOMAN, that has a profile on okcupid, pof, or match or eharmony or whatever that has kids is going to cuckold you with ZERO shame.

Proactive cheating is the single Mommy dilema. This form of ?cheating? relies on the woman breeding with a Good Genes male, bearing his children and then abandoning him, or having him abandon her, (again through invented social conventions) in order to find a Good Dad male to provide for her and the children of her Good Genes partner to ensure their security.

I want to stress again that (most) women do not have some consciously constructed and recognized master plan to enact this cycle and deliberately trap men into it. Rather, the motivations for this behavior and the accompanying social rationales invented to justify it are an unconscious process. For the most part, women are unaware of this dynamic, but are nonetheless subject to it?s influence. For a female of any species to facilitate a methodology for breeding with the best genetic partner she?s able to attract AND to ensure her own and her offspring?s survival with the best provisioning partner; this is an evolutionary jackpot.

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Palum_sl said:

I think you mean sample, not population.

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Population is the entire group you're looking at. So all people with below X income is your population. Then you take a sample of that, and derive statistically valid conclusions from your sample that should apply to the entire population of people below X income. I'm not using population to mean the entirety of humanity, but in the way it is used in statistics.

So the studies are looking at a particular population, they take a sample from that population. Etc.

The Master_sl said:

Population is the entire group you're looking at. So all people with below X income is your population. Then you take a sample of that, and derive statistically valid conclusions from your sample that should apply to the entire population of people below X income. I'm not using population to mean the entirety of humanity, but in the way it is used in statistics.

So the studies are looking at a particular population, they take a sample from that population. Etc.

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Which is fine, until you compare them. Then they are samples of a larger population.

Yup, good discussion on cuckoldry. It is FAR above 1.5%, as Antarius so thoroughly showed.

And that last quote is important of his. All of the RP ideology is wholly misunderstood by women because they instantly think misogyny. But look at the last quote, and you'll see why it's not the case: we recognize that a lot of women's behavior isunconscious, as in not necessarily their conscious fault; it's a biomechanical script that has been playing out for millennia. There's no difference to how the script plays out now than it did when we were clubbing each other with sticks and stones - the only difference is now we're doing it in clubs and online instead of the savannah. Shitting out the kid of some penniless jerkboy & getting some middle-class chump to raise it in a nurturing home TRULY is nature on display.

Antarius_sl said:

EVERY SINGLE WOMAN, that has a profile on okcupid, pof, or match or eharmony or whatever that has kids is going to cuckold you with ZERO shame.

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No, man. That's not how that word works. Cuckold implies deception: dictionary "a man whose wife is unfaithful" -- if you voluntarily enter into a relationship with a single mother, you haven't been cuckolded.

A single mother looking for a new partner shouldn't feel any more shame about having children than a single father. Are you really disturbed by this?

Dumar_sl said:

Shitting out the kid of some penniless jerkboy & getting some middle-class chump to raise it in a nurturing home TRULY is nature on display.

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wat.

No, really. Is this "middle-class chump" somehow compelled into an unfavorable relationship? How much fucking sympathy do you expect me to muster for this hypothetical individual who somehow maneuvered himself into building a family with a single motheragainst his will. The only way this "behavior" could be explained is through some unconscious agenda of the entire female gender... rofl.

Eidal_sl said:

My disgust with TRPers in general is that they'd like to present this "we the wronged" front and talk mad shit about an entire gender, but whenever I dial in on specific examples, they're just pissed off men who have fucking issues and date women with fucking issues.

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It is usually bad to paint an entire movement with a few advocates, but its pretty hard to not do that here.

You have antarius, a serial dater on OKC, who admits that in his one long-term relationship he only "mostly" didn't cheat. Then we have Trollface, a 30 year old virgin who has said he has trouble talking to women. Then Dumar, a person so negative that he routinely talks about how if you know the "truth" of the world you should kill yourself. Is it any fucking shock that these three have only found women confirming their stereotypes?

Also, lets please dispense with the silly illusion that its about "self-improvement". If that was the case, not every TRP defender would almost immediately start screaming about hypergamy and paternity tests.

Eidal_sl said:

through some unconscious agenda of the entire female gender... rofl.

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Yep, the agenda to survive & propagate hers and the 'best' genes forward she can secure.

khalid_sl said:

Also, lets please dispense with the silly illusion that its about "self-improvement". If that was the case, not every TRP defender would almost immediately start screaming about hypergamy and paternity tests.

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That's probably where it started. But genuine self-improvement is hard and it's much easier to rabble about hypergamy and cuckolding.

khalid_sl said:

You have antarius, a serial dater on OKC, who admits that in his one long-term relationship he only "mostly" didn't cheat. Then we have Trollface, a 30 year old virgin who has said he has trouble talking to women. Then Dumar, a person so negative that he routinely talks about how if you know the "truth" of the world you should kill yourself. Is it any fucking shock that these three have only found women confirming their stereotypes?

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What a persuasive set of ambassadors -- what you're telling me is... if I want to be like Antarius/Trollface/Dumar, all I have to do is delve deep into TRP? I'm sold.

khalid_sl said:

You have antarius, a serial dater on OKC, who admits that in his one long-term relationship he only "mostly" didn't cheat. Then we have Trollface, a 30 year old virgin who has said he has trouble talking to women. Then Dumar, a person so negative that he routinely talks about how if you know the "truth" of the world you should kill yourself. Is it any fucking shock that these three have only found women confirming their stereotypes?

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Yeah, take it from Khalid. He's a master womanizer and knows a thing or two about neckbearded nerds. How's your strategy of rejecting RP going? Still single? Oh, it's by "choice", right?

Kirun_sl said:

Yeah, take it from Khalid. He's a master womanizer and knows a thing or two about neckbearded nerds. How's your strategy of rejecting RP going? Still single? Oh, it's by "choice", right?

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Oh, you are a fan of RP also? How not shocking coming from the most notorious misogynist of the forum. Yeah, its just about "self-improvement", right.

khalid_sl said:

Oh, you are a fan of RP also? How not shocking coming from the most notorious misogynist of the forum. Yeah, its just about "self-improvement", right.

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Dude he was copy-pasting red pill stuff for months.

Eidal_sl said:

That's probably where it started. But genuine self-improvement is hard and it's much easier to rabble about hypergamy and cuckolding.

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Is there really this debate over whether or not women expect to marry someone who makes more than they do?

Yea, he's actually contested that more than once.

Let's be clear. It's not precisely self-improvement: it'simprovement in attraction of women, and there's a difference, a distinct dichotomy.

Real self-improvement would be going and getting a degree in physics or philosophy simply because you truly are self-actualizedregardless of women, want to expand your perspective, push your horizons. Unless this correlates to some type of wealth or status, it's not improvement in their attraction to you. For improvement in the attraction of women, you would pursue an MBA and become a six-figure bean counter in the capitalist machine, which would directly translate to higher wealth, higher status in society. But in terms ofactually doingsomething, you're not doing much.

Exercise is great, and it certainly benefits you to stay fit. However, lifting, for example, is done almost exclusively (unless it's your income) to gain the attraction of women, not actual self-improvement in the self-actualized sense.

So you can see, we're simply biological machines who's conscious imperative is for recognition of higher status by the opposite sex. That's all we are. That's all chimps are. We buy the porsche, power-lift, travel the world and post pics on facebook, all for the attraction of women, not toactuallyself-improve ourselves independent of anyone else's, any woman's, opinion.

If you want real, true self-improvement,thatis much, much harder: because it begins with not only TRP, but then discarding the weight of what others think of you, what women think of you. I think it's that path (which I'm not on yet, tbh), that road is the one to a true living, self-actualized enlightenment.

Arbitrary_sl said:

Is there really this debate over whether or not women expect to marry someone who makes more than they do?

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It could be.

My problem with this statement is you stating that 50 percent of our species shares a stereotypical trait. Dosomewomen expect to marry someone who makes more? Sure. Do some black men steal bikes? Do some men rape women? Yes, and yes. But when you say "All black men are thieves" // "All men are rapists", now you're entering lunatic racist/sexist fringe territory.

There is no debate that being a high-earner generally makes a man more attractive; but I suspect if we looked for reasons we'd see that high-earning men tend to embody some character traits that universally appeal to both genders. I want my male friends to be successful, driven, ambitious... etc etc. I don't want to mate with them, I just like being around positive and successful people. I don't see any sinister female plot because they think the same thing.

Look -- a man's income level is something easily gauged and indicative of positive character traits. Just like a woman who keeps herself in shape is indicative of positive character traits. Y'all are making it sound like ALL women unilaterally demand more and more wealth, as if its even remotely that simple. But hey, I guess when you're a TRPer, you like black/white situations.

Dumar_sl said:

Exercise is great, and it certainly benefits you to stay fit. However, lifting, for example, is done almost exclusively (unless it's your income) to gain the attraction of women, not actual self-improvement in the self-actualized sense.

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What about the health benefits? Lifting builds muscle (leaving you with more when you age) as well as bone mass. I also enjoy knowing if something bad happened, I could fireman carry most people out of a bad situation. I don't lift to get laid -- I'm married, lifting is irrelevant to my sex life. However, my wife would probably say my interest in self-improvement is attractive, regardless of which avenue I'm pursuing.

So you can see, we're simply biological machines who's conscious imperative is for recognition of higher status by the opposite sex. That's all we are. That's all chimps are. We buy the porsche, power-lift, travel the world and post pics on facebook, all for the attraction of women, not toactuallyself-improve ourselves independent of anyone else's, any woman's, opinion.

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No. Maybe you feel that, but stating that every man feels that is ridiculous. I don't do any of this shit to impress women -- I do things that are fun or that I know are important for the future. Some of those things women find impressive/attractive. Do you really think that every man on this planet needs constant validation from women? No fucking wonder we disagree. You live a miserable existence.Dumar, if you were a fun person to be around, you wouldn't need any of that crap to have friends or a happy wife.

If you want real, true self-improvement,thatis much, much harder: because it begins with not only TRP, but then discarding the weight of what others think of you, what women think of you. I think it's that path (which I'm not on yet, tbh), that road is the one to a true living, self-actualized enlightenment.

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This is a good point, and I agree with this. However, it's important to consider what PEOPLE think of you -- we're social creatures. Deciding to unilaterally disregard what everyone around you thinks is foolhearty. But letting other people define you or being reliant on them for your own happiness is equally bad.

You keep reading this as being some comment on rich guys. It's not. Whatever amount of money they make women expect they men they marry to make more than that.

Trollface_sl said:

MGTOW

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I didn't recognize that acronym so I had to look it up. FromMGTOW | Men Going Their Own Way



Are you for reals.