Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 2, 2014

Mist_sl said:
They already gave their advice. It was "Seek the services of a mental health professional." Antarius is never going to be happy with any relationship until he gets over his underlying issues, and hopefully a therapist can help with that.

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Lightning Lord Rule · Sep 2, 2014

Mist_sl said:
They already gave their advice. It was "Seek the services of a mental health professional." Antarius is never going to be happy with any relationship until he gets over his underlying issues, and hopefully a therapist can help with that.

Ah, a mental health professional. "Hi, I'm suffering from depression due to involuntary celibacy." "That's too bad. Here's a scrip for some happy pills. Those plus several hundred hours of talk therapy at $300 per hour and you should be right as rain."

Why the fuck are you even in this thread? If we needed advice on how to pick up nasty bulldykes, fuck up the education system, or clean our dildo collections we'd send up the Mist Signal. Get your tuna-flavored piehole the fuck out of here.

(Ad hominem attacks are fun)

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

Jive Turkey_sl said:
This is my favourite.
"I'm posting pictures to show I'm not a sociopath"
*post picture of him touching sleeping girl's ponytail*

Sleeping? She's on her knees getting banged doggy style.

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

Mist_sl said:
They already gave their advice. It was "Seek the services of a mental health professional." Antarius is never going to be happy with any relationship until he gets over his underlying issues, and hopefully a therapist can help with that.

I'm actually pretty happy with the results that I've been getting. At first I wasn't, but I've been doing better. It's possible to improve. That's why I'm "advocating" for the redpill.

PUA stuff that I learned a few years ago thanks to advice from this forum helped a little bit, got me past the involuntary celibacy, the redpillhas given me the "inner game" which was always the elusive end-game goal of the PUA movement.

Medication is a silly suggestion, a) I'm happy, b) I'm not a psychopath, I do feel emotion, I do get upset when people make fun of me, which is why I was getting trolled this morning so successfully. So I'm not some alpha badass that can just shrug off anything, but I'm a lot better than I was, that is proof enough to me that the redpillis helping c) I would lose my job if I were prescribed antidepressants or really most any medication at all. That would be counter-productive.

Jive Turkey · Sep 2, 2014

Antarius_sl said:
Sleeping? She's on her knees getting banged doggy style.

Oh. Well. And here I was thinking you were acting like a sociopath

Arbitrary · Sep 2, 2014

Jive Turkey_sl said:
Oh. Well. And here I was thinking you were acting like a sociopath

a_skeleton_03 · Sep 2, 2014

Lightning Lord Rule_sl said:
So, if you guys don't like the redpilladvice for Antarius, rather than attacking him, what would be your advice?

I will bite.

First of all it isn't fuck him for trying. It's that he has a very flawed viewpoint on life that he has turned into a religion.

I am not a healthcare professional and I have not deprogrammed someone from a cult but that is what I am going to attempt in this plan.

Ok first thing he does is shave his face. Not because I don't like beards but because it is a change in his outward demeanor that he relies on a certain act to get laid. He also makes a subtle but conscious design decision in his wardrobe. For instance, zero polo shirts or something like that. This also puts him in full control of his own reality. Now he is going to outwardly exude a different confidence and it will slow his "game" down. This is good for what we are doing.

Next he needs to make let's say a 6 month commitment. He needs to find someone he has more than a passing relationship with that will keep him to this. This is also a control issue. He is putting himself in control ahead of time and therefore lessening the anxiety later on. This commitment needs to be zero sex with random pickups etc.. Now this isn't some prude thing. If he has a few known chicks or even prostitutes he wants to go to during this time sure go to them. The point is nothing new, say it with me, no new pussy. He is going to make this commitment work for him in the next phase. This is about proving to yourself that you ARE a man with or without any fancy gimmicks and taking that control and honing it.

Date, a lot. For the next 6 months you are going to pick up as many chicks as possible. You are going to browse websites, go to bars, etc. You are going to date every chick in a 50 square mile radius if possible. You are going to take them on one date only and fuck none of them. If you need a release we discussed that earlier. What you are doing here is proving to yourself that "the pick up" and the relationship are not tied together at all. You are also proving to yourself that you are a good looking man who can in reality date whomever he wants. We are looking for more than just sex though. We are looking for a life, a relationship. You are going to see every kind of woman out there. I want you to keep statistics if it amuses you. Redheads, blondes, goth chicks, whatever you can do to quantify them. You are going to write down at the end 10 pros and 10 cons to that woman that you can spot. Insecurity, potential unfaithfulness, not a light bulb on upstairs, stupid ugly ears, these are both external and internal as far as you can tell. What you are doing is developing a sense for picking a good relationship material girl. Cross reference these pros and cons with her dating profile. Spot the keywords she abused or topics she blatantly tiptoed around now that you know her as a person.

Now you have shown you are your own man, you have control of all your decisions, your control brings you confidence, and you know how to actually read a woman and not just figure out if she wants it doggy style or missionary. You haven't gone on more than a single date with any of these chicks. You are having your sexual needs met on the side.

We are at the turning point here. We are going to ensure that we need nothing redpillagain by this point. The next month is a sex safari. You are going to now do one night stands for a month. Just a month, you are proving to yourself you never lost it. You still have full control. You are still doing your pro's and con's list at the end of the date and you are now just writing a synopsis of the sex at the bottom of that. You are learning what type of women do the type of sex you want. You are learning more about yourself probably than about them. You are quantifying this all.

Here is the practical application. Now for the next 6 months you start picking girls you would like to do more than 3 dates with and feel comfortable about. You date one chick at a time. If by the third or fourth date you just aren't feeling it you bail and find a new chick. You stop seeing prostitutes or other random chicks you used to know on the side. You are trying to make a relationship and a life out of this now. You are back into the folds of humanity. Don't rush into anything like marriage, sow your oats. Try to find a chick though that you enjoy sowing with as a person and not just the field you dump your seed in. Find a girl you like as a human first and a sex object second. It isn't some easy thing. It isn't some hard thing. It just is a thing.

a_skeleton_03 · Sep 2, 2014

Lightning Lord Rule_sl said:
Ah, a mental health professional. "Hi, I'm suffering from depression due to involuntary celibacy." "That's too bad. Here's a scrip for some happy pills. Those plus several hundred hours of talk therapy at $300 per hour and you should be right as rain."

Why the fuck are you even in this thread? If we needed advice on how to pick up nasty bulldykes, fuck up the education system, or clean our dildo collections we'd send up the Mist Signal. Get your tuna-flavored piehole the fuck out of here.

(Ad hominem attacks are fun)

He isn't suffering from involuntary celibacy. He is suffering from manic control issues. He is advocating redpillnon stop and claiming he is happy with the results and yet still has to pay for sex on the side. You are thinking to yourself "self, isn't that sex addiction, not a control issue?". It isn't, he needs to ensure that a woman is never in a place to hurt him again. He has to be in full control of it all. He controls it by never letting it get far and deluding himself into thinking he won because "had sex".

I watched Silence of the Lambs last night. Buffalo Bill wasn't a transsexual according to Hannibal, he just hated who he was so he assumed he needed to change that into a woman. In reality he was fine as a man if he would have confronted his real problems head on. Antarius probably could offer a lot into a relationship if he got over his confidence and control issues.

Jive Turkey · Sep 2, 2014

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
He isn't suffering from involuntary celibacy. He is suffering from manic control issues. He is advocating redpillnon stop and claiming he is happy with the results and yet still has to pay for sex on the side. You are thinking to yourself "self, isn't that sex addiction, not a control issue?". It isn't, he needs to ensure that a woman is never in a place to hurt him again. He has to be in full control of it all. He controls it by never letting it get far and deluding himself into thinking he won because "had sex".

I watched Silence of the Lambs last night. Buffalo Bill wasn't a transsexual according to Hannibal, he just hated who he was so he assumed he needed to change that into a woman. In reality he was fine as a man if he would have confronted his real problems head on. Antarius probably could offer a lot into a relationship if he got over his confidence and control issues.

Not to mention his sterile descriptions of social interactions and his weirdly specific and mechanical reasons for the physical changes he makes

Mist · Sep 2, 2014

Lightning Lord Rule_sl said:
Ah, a mental health professional. "Hi, I'm suffering from depression due to involuntary celibacy." "That's too bad. Here's a scrip for some happy pills. Those plus several hundred hours of talk therapy at $300 per hour and you should be right as rain."

Why the fuck are you even in this thread? If we needed advice on how to pick up nasty bulldykes, fuck up the education system, or clean our dildo collections we'd send up the Mist Signal. Get your tuna-flavored piehole the fuck out of here.

(Ad hominem attacks are fun)

I think I will leave, because any thread where me and a_skeleton_03 are on the same side kinda makes me want to hurl.

EDIT: Just kidding. I really have nothing else to do with my life whilst resting between whatever sisyphean tasks my mother comes up with. Seriously, it's this or D3, and this feels slightly more rewarding.

a_skeleton_03 · Sep 2, 2014

Mist_sl said:
I think I will leave, because any thread where me and a_skeleton_03 are on the same side kinda makes me want to hurl.

EDIT: Just kidding. I really have nothing else to do with my life whilst resting between whatever sisyphean tasks my mother comes up with. Seriously, it's this or Diablo.

Hehe I was about to mention that if you, Zyyzyzyzyyxxy, and myself are on the same sheet of music .....

Arbitrary · Sep 2, 2014

Mist_sl said:
I think I will leave, because any thread where me and a_skeleton_03 are on the same side kinda makes me want to hurl.

That's not nausea, those are butterflies in your tummy. There's just something about that stupid a_skeleton_03.

Tsundere Mist is best Mist.

a_skeleton_03 · Sep 2, 2014

Arbitrary_sl said:
That's not nausea, those are butterflies in your tummy. There's just something about that stupid a_skeleton_03.

Tsundere Mist is best Mist.

I have an endearing chewy center deep inside me I don't let out in the politics thread.

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

Jive Turkey_sl said:
Not to mention his sterile descriptions of social interactions and his weirdly specific and mechanical reasons for the physical changes he makes

I'll try and gussy up my descriptions just for you.

Listen, a_skeleton_03, you are getting your psychological advice from the same guy that helped write the screenplay for "Shrek 2", and "All the Pretty Horses", and then trying to pass it on to me as "actual advice". Fuck you.

Date, a lot. For the next 6 months you are going to pick up as many chicks as possible. You are going to browse websites, go to bars, etc. You are going to date every chick in a 50 square mile radius if possible. You are going to take them on one date only and fuck none of them. If you need a release we discussed that earlier. What you are doing here is proving to yourself that "the pick up" and the relationship are not tied together at all. You are also proving to yourself that you are a good looking man who can in reality date whomever he wants. We are looking for more than just sex though. We are looking for a life, a relationship. You are going to see every kind of woman out there. I want you to keep statistics if it amuses you. Redheads, blondes, goth chicks, whatever you can do to quantify them. You are going to write down at the end 10 pros and 10 cons to that woman that you can spot. Insecurity, potential unfaithfulness, not a light bulb on upstairs, stupid ugly ears, these are both external and internal as far as you can tell. What you are doing is developing a sense for picking a good relationship material girl. Cross reference these pros and cons with her dating profile. Spot the keywords she abused or topics she blatantly tiptoed around now that you know her as a person.

You're saying because I have control issues, I should place additional artificial constraints on my relationships just to satisfy YOUR control needs?

Please, I already meet and date pretty much any women that I find remotely attractive around me, many of whom I don't have sex with.

Some of the women I meet are sluts, and I pick up on it and have sex, oh well. Some of the women I meet are not sluts, and I still have sex with them.
Sometimes it makes for an entertaining story to share with this forum.

I don't "have" to pay for sex on the side, I do it because I make a shitload of money and it's an easy way to get some strange. The redpillof reddit frowns upon prostitution, I really don't care.

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Antarius probably could offer a lot into a relationship if he got over his confidence and control issues.

Wrong, until I curbed my confidence, saw the reality of my situation, and took control of my life. I could not offer ANYTHING to a relationship, because I was not HAVING relationships. Women were not interested in dating me before, despite me wanting to date them. That is the textbook definition of "incel"

I began swallowing "the redpill" a long, long time ago. Before it was called "the redpill". Putting a name to it, and helping define it and refine it has improved my life further.

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

Radicalizing the Romanceless | Slate Star Codex

It's a little bit long, but well worth the read

I will have to use virginity statistics as a proxy for the harder-to-measure romancelessness statistics, but these are bad enough. In high school each extra IQ point above average increases chances of male virginity by about 3%. 35% of MIT grad students have never had sex, compared to only 13% of the average high school population. Compared with virgins, men with more sexual experience are likely to drink more alcohol, attend church less, and have a criminal history. A Dr. Beaver (nominative determinism again!) was able to predict number of sexual partners pretty well using a scale with such delightful items as "have you been in a gang", "have you used a weapon in a fight", et cetera. An analysis of the psychometric Big Five consistently find that high levels of disagreeableness predict high sexual success in both men and women.

and:

Personal virtue is not very well correlated with ease of finding a soulmate. It may be only slightly correlated, uncorrelated, or even anti-correlated in different situations. Even smart people who want various virtues in a soulmate usually use them as a rule-out criterion, rather than a rule-in criterion - that is, given someone whom they are already attracted to, they will eliminate him if he does not have those virtues. The rule-in criterion that makes you attractive to people is mysterious and mostly orthogonal to virtue. This is true both in men and women, but in different ways. Male attractiveness seems to depend on things like a kind of social skills which is not necessarily the same kind of social skills people who want to teach you social skills will teach, testosterone level, social status, and whatever you call the ability to just ask someone out, consequences be damned. These can be obtained in very many different ways that are partly within your control, but they are complicated and subtle and if you naively aim for cliched versions of the terms you will fail. There is a lot of good discussion about how to get these things. Here is a list of resources that might be able to help you.

ZyyzYzzy · Sep 2, 2014

Lightning Lord Rule_sl said:
So, if you guys don't like the redpilladvice for Antarius, rather than attacking him, what would be your advice? The last few pages of this thread basically amount to "Antarius doesn't deserve to have sex with anyone, so fuck him for trying." That's basically what the old saw of "just be yourself" boils down to. Ok, I'm just going to be myself, but myself when I got that advice was fat, unattractive and uninteresting. So I should just keep on doing that, right? Doing what I always did got me what I always got. The other argument I've seen is that he should have recognized the lies being fed to him all along. He should have "just gotten it". So if you aren't able to discern the inconsistencies between what you are told and how people act, the lies being told to you by the media, your teachers, your family, the social pressure all around you, some of the very people you grew up to trust, then too fucking bad and go fuck yourself?

Say what you want about Antarius, but he went from involuntary celibacy to at least getting something. Yes he's not getting with models, but christ, was that ever in the cards for most guys? At least he's doing better than he was, and it seems like most people in this thread would have him sentenced to the hell that is depression and loneliness for the rest of his days.

Can you fucking read Dondorian? He is antisocial and a narcissist. It's not about him hooking up with chicks.

The night is dark and full of horrble reading compression.

Lightning Lord Rule · Sep 2, 2014

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
Can you fucking read Dondorian? He is antisocial and a narcissist. It's not about him hooking up with chicks.

The night is dark and full of horrble reading compression.

It's Dondarrion, with an 'a' and two 'r's. Also, horrible, with an 'i'. Also I believe you're going for the word 'comprehension', unless you really were attacking my lack of brevity.

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

Yea... that last article I posted... fuck if it didn't hit close to home.

People were coming up with reasons to mock and despise men who were sad about not being in relationships years before the manosphere even existed. These reasons were being posted on top feminist blogs for years without any reference whatsoever to the manosphere, probably because the people who wrote them were unaware of its existence or couldn't imagine what it could possibly have to do with this subject? Feminism - the movement that was doing all this with no help from the manosphere - has twenty times the eyeballs and twenty times the discourse-setting power as the manosphere. And Barry thinks this is the manosphere's fault? On the SSC "Things Feminists Should Not Be Able To Get Away With Blaming On The Manosphere" Scale, this is right up there with the postulated link between the men's rights movement and Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

The idea of deep genetic and personality differences between men and women is far too complicated to get into here, but I will say that if differences exist, I do not believe they are so great as to change fundamental human nature. For women just as well as men, for feminists just as well as manospherites, if you're a certain kind of person, making fun of people for being unattractive and unhappy is its own reward. Hence everything that has ever been said about "nice guys (TM)"

The only difference between the feminists and the manosphere here is that people call out the manosphere when they do it. But the feminists have their little Playmobil motte, so that's totally different!

TL;DR

The moral of the story is that if you are maximally mean to innocent people, then eventually bad things will happen to you. First, because you have no room to punish people any more for actually hurting you. Second, because people will figure if they're doomed anyway, they can at least get the consolation of feeling like they're doing you some damage on their way down.

This seems to me to be the position that lonely men are in online. People will tell them they're evil misogynist rapists - as the articles above did - no matter what. In what is apparently shocking news to a lot of people, this makes them hurt and angry. As someone currently working on learning psychotherapy, I can confidently say that receiving a constant stream of hatred and put-downs throughout your most formative years can really screw you up. And so these people try to lash out at the people who are doing it to them, secure in the knowledge that there's no room left for people to hate them even more.

And yes, this was written by an actual medical doctor, not a fiction book author.

Antarius · Sep 2, 2014

And suppose, in the depths of your Forever Alone misery, you make the mistake of asking why things are so unfair.

Well, then Jezebel says you are "a lonely dickwad who believes in a perverse social/sexual contract that promises access to women's bodies". XOJane says you are "an adult baby" who will "go into a school or a gym or another space heavily populated by women and open fire". Feminspire just says you are "an arrogant, egotistical, selfish douche bag".

And the manosphere says: "Excellent question, we've actually been wondering that ourselves, why don't you come over here and sit down with us and hear some of our convincing-sounding answers, which, incidentally, will also help solve your personal problems?"

I'm not a good example of a person to follow, but hopefully putting myself out on this forum, there can get a few eyeballs of the guys that need it to where they need to be. It's a video game forum, I know I'm not the only one that can benefit from it.

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