Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge

Soygen · Sep 10, 2014

When someone insults my woman, I call up Tarrant for the 'ol one-two clothesline.

Haast · Sep 10, 2014

Soygen_sl said:
When someone insults my woman, I call up Tarrant for the 'ol one-two clothesline.

Hahaha, I had almost forgotten about that. Make sure there are some stairs nearby.

Eidal · Sep 10, 2014

Phazael_sl said:
I don't disagree with that. But it doesn't matter. I am accepting the consequences for punishing an idiot for being colossally disrespectful to the one person in the world who I value above myself. I fail to see what is so hard to grasp about that. Plus, being a major asshole myself, I am pretty good at provoking people into throwing the first punch anyhow. But sometimes you have to confront people like that with the nuclear option, because they are counting on a passive aggressive response that lets them get away with it. The message I am sending is, for this act against my wife I will tolerate none of that, even if it costs me.

I am having a hard time believing none of the married guys don't feel the same way, but I guess even being raised an atheist liberal I still have a few old school values.

I've had this discussion with my wife. She repeatedly says she does NOT want me to fight on her behalf and that it absolutely isn't worth it. She also linked me to an r/askwomen discussion about the same thing and the overwhelming opinion was that they do not want their husbands gambling the families future on a perceived insult from a stranger.

All of that being said: sober me would likely disengage and get both of us out of there... intoxicated me would likely fight and sleep easy knowing that no one in my life that I respect would look down on me for throwing a punch over a massive insult towards my loved one. Consequences accepted.

There is the lizard portion of my brain that thinks secretly all women want their man to throw down with random strangers over verbal harrassment... but Iknowhow outrageous it is. Would you want YOUR wife assaulting a woman because the woman called YOU used up? Fuck no -- I'd be all over the "come on baby its not worth it, fuck that ho, lets get out of here... don't hit her, come on, lets get home safe... we don't want a lawsuit..." etc etc etc. When you consider the golden rule aspect, it makes it easier to internalize that respectable/professional women very likely do not want you throwing punches on their behalf.

Last thought: That's my OWN reasoned position. I think insulting a man's woman would incite him to violence faster than me actually assaulting him. I think that's a perfectly fine position to take.One ought to breach the social contract at one's own peril.

Arbitrary · Sep 10, 2014

Kirun_sl said:
I've also thoroughly enjoyed all the people telling Antarius that his choice to bang lots of women is meaningless. To who? You? Or that even if he has fun now, he won't be truly fulfilled at age 50. He wont betrulyhappy, like everyone else is with their Victoria Secret, supermodel wife. People get joy and fulfillment out of life from things other than you do, news at 11. It all just reads as a bunch of insecure guys trying to justify their choice of monogamy.

I'm pretty sure I don't like Antarius as a human being but I object to people like him that were loser fuck ups being routinely told they are losers pretty much every day by society (friendzone beta fedora fatass neckbeard beta cringe beta beta) and when they go in a different direction they still get handed all that hate with a bunch more when they decide to go out and stop being virgin neckbeards.

Not to pick on Phazeal again but look at this

Phazael_sl said:
That is probably a major reason this red pill bullshit rustles me as much as it does. And this is going to come off as majorly racist, but..... this whole thing is a bunch of social misfits who are trying to circumvent evolutions best efforts at preventing them from passing on their limp dicked genes by acting like stereotypical redneck or inner city black males, treating women like cattle and avoiding any relationship where they might have to raise their inferior hellspawn. And they justify behaving like animals because "science" and they are so happy to finally be getting their dick wet that it puts them in a cult like state of worship of this douchebaggery.

I can't read that as anything other than WHY WON'T YOU JUST STAY IN YOUR PLACE.

Fine, he's probably a bad person. But what else is he supposed given the shit he's been dealing with? How is he supposed to grow into a reasonable human being? He ate shit before, changed what he was doing, and now he still gets handed that same shit in additional to new shit. Of course he's going to come off as hostile. How could he not?

Tuco · Sep 10, 2014

Antarius_sl said:
Red pill advice from 4chan.... almost 5 years ago. I would have doubted it if I wasn't seeing it in action with my own eyes.

http://i.imgur.com/yO0LjGz.jpg

This is a prototypical example of how redpill (not sure if this image predates redpill or not) takes something good and reasonable and turns it into weird dysfunctional bullshit. It starts off with essential elements to attraction that for most men are common sense. "Don't let her control you." "Don't show that you're trying to impress." "Take charge of your interactions." etc etc. For some men (including me) this was NOT intuitive and I had to learn it through trial and error and also reading advice like this image.

Then it devolves when they attempt to create finite and concrete rules that drive women's attraction and find optimal ways to attract women based on these narrows rules. They'll create weird shit like, "make up fake vulnerabilities" and "take responsibility for problems she causes.".

At worst the RP bullshit will get to the level of misogyny and social dysfunction where it not only puts women in a box, but puts them in a stupid box and comes up with goofy ways to manipulate them. This image doesn't have much of that at least.

Antarius · Sep 10, 2014

McCheese_sl said:
Is it reallyallwomen, though? Without commenting one way or the other on red pill stuff, it seems to me like you're definitely targeting a specific set of women (whether intentionally or not). I think there is a huge difference between the kind of women you'd find in a typical night club, bar, and on casual dating sites like OKC and PoF compared with a lot of the women that people in this thread have experience with, or are married to. I think that is where one of the big disconnects is between red pillers and many of the other people in this thread.

You're right... it's only a "certain type" of woman...
It's the one that uses online dating, goes to bar, or goes to a club. So, next time you're with a woman, ask if she's done any of those activities.

Antarius · Sep 10, 2014

Tuco_sl said:
This is a prototypical example of how redpill (not sure if this image predates redpill or not)

Predates red pill by about 3 1/2 years

Caeden · Sep 10, 2014

Antarius_sl said:
You're right... it's only a "certain type" of woman...
It's the one that uses online dating, goes to bar, or goes to a club. So, next time you're with a woman, ask if she's done any of those activities.

I think you need to add a frequency term there. Also, the base assumption that everyone lies about sex habits cannot be blanket applied. That'd actually pull in some of the social norms of different groups.

I dated a girl last year that had online dated a few months. Got nowhere. Got nowhere with her either. She was a prude. Gave her three dates and maybe texted a bit for a month. She quit online dating because the impression she got was that men wanted sex in 1-2 dates. She claims she didn't and based on her pursuit of me versus how far she let me get (nowhere) I'm inclined to believe her. She never clubbed or hit up bars based on my convo. She was not what I was after then. This girl was late 20's and looking for a life partner as she put it.

On the other hand I dated a pharm tech last year that clubbed a lot and did some online dating. I fucked her the first date and second date and dropped her. The entire time she claimed to "never do this before."

Seriously, I said earlier I get a lot of red pill shit, I just think it's been generalized too much and also is nothing new.

Antarius · Sep 10, 2014

Arbitrary_sl said:
He ate shit before, changed what he was doing, and now he still gets handed that same shit in additional to new shit. Of course he's going to come off as hostile. How could he not?

Thanks for the support, but I actually only "eat shit" on this forum, and it's screenshots, so it's kind of expected, and I have no problem taking what I myself am willing to dish out. Out in the real world things are going good and I don't "get shit on" by any of my friends or co-workers, the guys I work with love hearing my dating stories (for obvious reasons, not "all" of them are told there (the embarassing ones), just like not "all" of them are told here either (the boring ones). I get more shit at work about the fact that I'm 32 and have roommates. The fact I'm dating multiple women has never once been brought up in a negative light.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 10, 2014

it's nothing new. Red pill logic's been there for hundreds of years. RP just collects them all and puts it out there for young men who know jack shit. A lot of people are pursuing RP path without even knowing. young men talk about their fathers who taught them RP logic and they never grasped their importance until they found RP.

And people who shame RP are doing women service by holding good young men from cautionary tales.

Phazael · Sep 10, 2014

Arbitrary_sl said:
I can't read that as anything other than WHY WON'T YOU JUST STAY IN YOUR PLACE.

Fine, he's probably a bad person. But what else is he supposed given the shit he's been dealing with? How is he supposed to grow into a reasonable human being? He ate shit before, changed what he was doing, and now he still gets handed that same shit in additional to new shit. Of course he's going to come off as hostile. How could he not?

Its not that. Again, you are not married, so I do not expect full comprehension on this. Not everyone is special. Not everyone gets to bang super models. The goal is to get to a happy place without shitting on everyone else. I am not going to be a millionaire. I am not going to cure cancer or walk on the moon. I am not going to be a rock star. I am going to peak as a fat nerd with a chubby but awesome wife who enjoys all the same stupid nerd shit I do. I accept this and am happy with who I am, without being resentful over who I am not. I am not going to start an internet movement blaming other people for my shortcomings and mock people with pseudoscience (read religion) when they poke holes in my little house of psychosis I built for myself.

The line is crossed when they ram this shit down everyone else's throat with a heaping side of misogyny. I did not judge Antarius for banging hookers or male trannies pretending to be hookers. I actually appreciated his honesty and humility about it. The moment he started saying his way was the only correct path, I took issue. Suggesting all women over 30 are used up whores, including other men's wives really crossed the line with me. Dumar is irredeemable, in my opinion. Antarius is self aware enough to get himself on a better path. If I am mean to him, it is because I actually hope he does better for himself. The sooner he realizes that dropping a load in some skank is not the end game of life, the sooner he can grow out of the hole he is in.

Caeden · Sep 10, 2014

^ do you spout red pill at them?

I ran roughshod through tons of single mothers and non-mothers and shared many stories with coworkers. Hadn't even heard of red pill. In fact, I used pof for a several months and then eharmony just to experiment with what you find on free vs paid. There's a difference but I was able to meet girls that fucked me 1-2 dates in and pursued me and a few who I went out with and could see I was gonna get nowhere after a month and often they pursued me due to my education, job, etc. on both sites.

I completely think it depends on the girl.

Phazael · Sep 10, 2014

There is an old saying that says "When the only tool you have is a hammer, you treat everything like a nail" that I think applies here. If all women are just better than my sock drawer sperm receptacles to a guy, then any differences between them are lost and opportunities are missed.

Antarius · Sep 10, 2014

Caeden_sl said:
This girl was late 20's and looking for a life partner as she put it.

I fucked her the first date and second date and dropped her. The entire time she claimed to "never do this before."

Seriously, I said earlier I get a lot of red pill shit, I just think it's been generalized too much and also is nothing new.

Listen, you just described AF/BB

A late 20s woman is looking for a BB provider. If you want to fuck her, you have to "attract her" in her logical, rational centers of her brain, prove that you'll be a good lifemate, and that she would do good to invest her time with you. I used to do this very naturally, I had many "successful" 3-6 month relationships with women like this, this is what I naturally gravitated to from the advice I'd been given in TGTBYHT on foh years ago.

You provided Alpha tingles to the pharm tech, you probably won't even remember her 20 years from now, but she'll remember you, especially if she decides to "settle down and look for a life partner" and you were the last "bad boy" that she dated. These are the women that I am aiming for right now, why waste my time with someone that isn't going to make me happy like your girl that "went nowhere", you wasted your time and money, I can detect women that are in this phase of their life and nope the fuck out within a few minutes.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 10, 2014

Caeden_sl said:
^ do you spout red pill at them?

I ran roughshod through tons of single mothers and non-mothers and shared many stories with coworkers. Hadn't even heard of red pill. In fact, I used pof for a several months and then eharmony just to experiment with what you find on free vs paid. There's a difference but I was able to meet girls that fucked me 1-2 dates in and pursued me and a few who I went out with and could see I was gonna get nowhere after a month and often they pursued me due to my education, job, etc. on both sites.

I completely think it depends on the girl.

#1 rule of fight club is don't mention fight club. never put RP shit out there.
this thread in it of itself is an abomination.

Phazael · Sep 10, 2014

At least we agree on that.

Soygen · Sep 10, 2014

Trollface_sl said:
this thread in it of itself is an abomination.

Correct.

Antarius · Sep 10, 2014

Phazael_sl said:
The line is crossed when they ram this shit down everyone else's throat with a heaping side of misogyny. I did not judge Antarius for banging hookers or male trannies pretending to be hookers. I actually appreciated his honesty and humility about it. The moment he started saying his way was the only correct path, I took issue. Suggesting all women over 30 are used up whores, including other men's wives really crossed the line with me. Dumar is irredeemable, in my opinion. Antarius is self aware enough to get himself on a better path. If I am mean to him, it is because I actually hope he does better for himself. The sooner he realizes that dropping a load in some skank is not the end game of life, the sooner he can grow out of the hole he is in.

Listen, I appreciate your attempt to communicate rather than just trolling like Jizz turkey and a few other posters here...

But here is the problem, you think I'm trying to find "an end-game goal" by having a lot of sex.

When I "first" started learning PUA stuff and started getting advice 7 years ago on fohguild about relationships, I had the same mentality... Well I will never get to bang super models, I just want to find a good woman, be happy, and maybe settle down and have a few kids... it's ok if she's not perfect, because I'm not perfect...
That didn't make me happy. It actually made me depressed as hell. I started improving my life, and the women that I was dating weren't really all that interesting, college dropouts working retail jobs and overweight single mothers. But I just wanted to do anything to avoid the bitter loneliness, and I realized that I had motivation, and that the only thing motivating the women I was dating was to get married to me so that they could live a more comfortable life. The sex was mediocre, but at least I was "getting some"... I thought I wasn't an ambitious person, but then I started dating people going nowhere with their lives, and when you're a single mother living in ohio with nothing more than a high school education, and you're about a 6 in looks... unfortunately, well, that's not my fault.

The more I have embraced red pill philosophy, the happier I have became... I improved myself.

Caeden · Sep 10, 2014

Or I managed to date a few that frankly didn't sleep around. I will say that all were pretty religious which some studies have show significantly reduces promiscuity in females. In the end, even those types put way more pursuit in despite me dismissing them and moving on.

Fuck, the pharm tech is still texting me from time to time to get serious in a relationship and I haven't seem her in 8 months outside of bumping into her when I was out with my current gf.

It's amazing what perspective can do.

Arbitrary · Sep 10, 2014

Phazael_sl said:
The line is crossed when they ram this shit down everyone else's throat with a heaping side of misogyny.

Oh don't even. No one is making any of us read this bucket of crazy. No one is ramming anything down anyone's anywhere.

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