But Deru lost it completely, check the words he used. "Feel free to come back and make a 100 postswhy im wrong" They announced the xp nerf today, people are discussing as its a hot topic and yeah i think the decision is wrong. So yea dont make posts about how Durabell is wrong or else. When players started reporting the xp ninja nerf he said people were "QQ imagining" or something like that and 5 hours later he was announcing a major xp nerf. I have a 60 shaman and i think im done, i have a bad feeling about this like Han Solo.
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Not for me, for the last month or so i made critical but fair posts about what was wrong with server and never had trouble. They just decided to implement today this new bevahior rules where it says you cant criticize staff decisions. Highly suggest to people who havent done so not to invest time on that server.
Huge post, i think it has some insights and its worth the read, but TLDR at bottom!
Worked at a game company for 2 years so feedback like this comes naturally to me lol
I was gonna post this on Red99 forums but the recent developments are so utterly wrong if they want to read my feedback theyll have to work for it and read it here.
I cannot unfortunatly continue to invest time here as i dont have much faith in the direction the server is taking and getting banned from the forums because im making " a 100 posts about why Deru is wrong" (msg i got with ban) was the last drop. I may be brutally critical but i do it for the betterment of the server, not to "burn it down". I cannot invest my time in a MMO emu where devs are reluctant to hear feedback for the game theyre running while repeating the same mistakes they did many times before because theyre ignoring feedback, again. The server may be free but EQ is a marathon payoff. Ok enjoy the journey but whats the point of building your characters if in the end the boxs gonna be dead because of bad dev decisions? Especially on a pvp box where your fun is not mainly PVEing and you need measures for the pop to stay minimally high. Thats alot of time put in i could be playing other games. So server is free devs, does that mean you wouldnt like it to succeed and grow? Well pay attention more to feedback and it might happen. I also got worried by the post where Durabell says him and Sirken are doing math for the upcoming server changes. Wait, Dura is making math on what gets implemented on the server? I seriously hope hes not part of the process of making calls on important game mechanic stuff considering the quality of his posts on the forums and how little he understands the server and its community.
The day the nerf was announced, there was some good information floating around about why nerfing xp made no sense on forums, amid trash, granted. We had also made the same points pretty much in that other durabell thread a week or 2 before. All the info was there to make a better decision. Just to take one example, how now 52s have to stay much longer at this lower bracket where they are getting pulverized by lvl60s. Its the same story than what it was for xp loss in pvp, its easy to see, 52s gonna get farmed for YT, devs are warned, do what? Take a course of action that ignores the feedback. This is like groundhogs day from the years before where devs took bad decisions when all the feedback was there on the forums for them to make the right ones. Durabells post on forums in a constructive criticism thread was a metaphorical "yes we know you dont like it, were not interested in knowing why you dont like it, the underlying notes being, we know better (although we dont actually play on the box), we dont need your feedback".
The first 18 months of the server or so failed badly because they refused to listen to feedback telling them xp loss in PvP was gonna bleed the semi-casual, new to the game pop away because of griefers, made the box boring and purple because many people didnt wanna take the xp hit when they died so fled every encounter and make zergs sit in raid zones uncontested. Theyre response was basically lawl u guys and your feedback, this isnt Call of Duty. Nihilum being so hard to dethrone now is a consequence of that decision to ignore the feedback we gave them on a silver platter. Now theyre going a step further by explicitely saying they dont care about our feedback, instead of mainly just ignoring it. I know Sirken said otherwise, but durabell also represents the staff and the way he acts, what he posts, thats the message hes sending. Theyre now linking staff decision criticism to account ban threats. I know its meant for people like Cast mainly, but theyre going overboard with this. It should be for people posting gay porn or shit like that and be made crystal clear that youre never, ever losing an account because youre criticizing dev decisions.
I would have stuck around to try to push for xp to be turned back to where it was but with moderation going full retard and the new threat that hangs over our accounts if we dare open our mouths, im gonna cut my losses early and pack my bags. I have a big mouth and have trouble restraining myself saying how i feel so im saving myself some potential grief down the line.
Ive already had my 44 druid account on blue banned by Uthgaard over some stupid power tripping shit years ago, im not going through that again with a GM like durabell around once again, who might take all that time you invested in your character and throw it away because you looked at him funny or being critical of his behavior. Before you say lawls dirty whistle, i petitioned 3 years later and laid out my case and Rogean flagged my thread for GM attention, and it was finally unbanned. So yea, Darubell giving me a week-long forum ban because "im posting hes wrong too many times" probably because i poke fun at his haughty behavior, weighted in my decision to hang my red99 jersey for a while, after bringing back unpleasant memories of getting my blue druid unfairly banned by Uthgaard. Yes, there is some trash on the forums that needs to be taken out. But banning people because theyre posting a GM is wrong too many times, stopping people from posting constructive criticism, instituting a series of clamping down that sends a chill down effect on constructive criticism and discussion, thats garbage too.
GM Derabuel lying to our face, telling the playerbase that they imagined things, to stop QQing, only to announce hours later a major xp nerf. How can you take anything this guy says seriously after that? A quick skim of the forums shows him locking down and deleting constructive threads that dont agree with his position: "Have faith. Also, please stop making XP threads, because I'm just going to delete them" and leaving threads on the subject that agree with his position alone, undeleted and unlocked (That bamzal enjoy the grind journey thread, Faeries thread about accepting XP nerf and for people to stop posting that its making them not log in). If what Kergan said on the forums is true, apparently the GMs said in-game that no xp nerf happened, once again trying to lie to the community.
His post 2 weeks ago on an xp nerf being absolutely necessary, and saying it was his opinion only, not the staff's. So either he was lying to us again, and warming up the community to a change that was already in the works for a long time, like was stated (though his post claimed nothing was set in stone) Or hes really the one in charge with Sirken of game mechanics on red which would be disastrous (I mean Darubell, Sirken i think is allrite, not sure about what he would do to make server grow though). Were talking here about the guy who thinks slowing down xp to make players learn about pvp is more important than those players not staying lvl 52 for a long time, so they dont get roflstomed. Shit, im not even that good at EQ and i know a 52 will get roflstomped by a 60, no matter what. Whats more, they got all that extra time now to gear up till newbies get in range so the gap in power is even wider. Hopefully thats not the person making calls on what gets implemented on PVP servers.
How XP nerf was implemented demonstrates how little some of the GMs understand this community, and demonstrates their contempt and ignorance of the communitys knowledge of the game and the state of the server. They thought they could sneak in an xp nerf this big on the population without them noticing, thats laughable. Some of these cave dwellers would know if you moved the efreeti spawn by a foot. Lying about the nerf, trying to ridicule people who politely asked if the xp had been nerfed as an attempt to close the discussion. When it was obvious they werent gonna sneak that one in they admitted in a post they had lied (not saying this explicitely), never saying ok sorry for trying to deceive you guys. GM Durabell went into damage control mode and started banning vocal critics and deleting or locking threads. The way this was pushed through was unbeleivably unprofessional and conceited. After playing bad cop, GM Durabell then tries to play good cop by posting funny ironic stuff like "Thank you all for your feedback. If you have any other ideas, thoughts, or would just like to rant, feel free to PM me." Yea so youre not allowed to brainstorm on the subject, feel free to waste your time sending me feedback on an issue ive obviously already made up my mind about and that the community or devs wont read and add their own feedback to, so we can figure out the best solution together.
Yeah people like me get heated, but you have to understand alot of time is invested on this server and people can get aggravated over seeing the devs or GMs moving forward unilaterally, not taking feedback into consideration (yet again) with measures that most players beleive will impoverish the server they love playing on, argumenting the reasoning behind their disagreement. Devs and GMs position in a nutshell seems to be "Trust us, were experts, and were not explaining why we think doing something that made the population drop multiple times before is going to make the population go up this time around".
Still, thanks to Rogean and Nilbog, the staff for making server happen, just wish you would listen to feedback more, because obviously you need it (especially on who you pick as GMs) and the forum wasnt dangerously sliding down to a place where criticism isnt welcomed. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security" and all that crap. If you are not willing to trust or take in consideration the feedback from the playerbase at face value, then have internal testers check that feedback out. But you should stop having people like GM Durabell who obviously dont play on the server making ill-advised, misinformed decisions on what the server needs to expand its playerbase and heavy handedly shutting down discussion on the forums. I think the sad truth is they give close to 0 fucks about our feedback. They just implement changes when people complain loudly for a long time on the forums and they finally realize they did something wrong
QQ right Durabell?
TLDR: Dont start playing on red99
This was intended as feedback for red99 but realized toward the end they didnt give a fuck about why or if they were wrong, so posting it here cuz i dont wanna waste all that analysis lol
Worked at a game company for 2 years so feedback like this comes naturally to me lol
I was gonna post this on Red99 forums but the recent developments are so utterly wrong if they want to read my feedback theyll have to work for it and read it here.
I cannot unfortunatly continue to invest time here as i dont have much faith in the direction the server is taking and getting banned from the forums because im making " a 100 posts about why Deru is wrong" (msg i got with ban) was the last drop. I may be brutally critical but i do it for the betterment of the server, not to "burn it down". I cannot invest my time in a MMO emu where devs are reluctant to hear feedback for the game theyre running while repeating the same mistakes they did many times before because theyre ignoring feedback, again. The server may be free but EQ is a marathon payoff. Ok enjoy the journey but whats the point of building your characters if in the end the boxs gonna be dead because of bad dev decisions? Especially on a pvp box where your fun is not mainly PVEing and you need measures for the pop to stay minimally high. Thats alot of time put in i could be playing other games. So server is free devs, does that mean you wouldnt like it to succeed and grow? Well pay attention more to feedback and it might happen. I also got worried by the post where Durabell says him and Sirken are doing math for the upcoming server changes. Wait, Dura is making math on what gets implemented on the server? I seriously hope hes not part of the process of making calls on important game mechanic stuff considering the quality of his posts on the forums and how little he understands the server and its community.
The day the nerf was announced, there was some good information floating around about why nerfing xp made no sense on forums, amid trash, granted. We had also made the same points pretty much in that other durabell thread a week or 2 before. All the info was there to make a better decision. Just to take one example, how now 52s have to stay much longer at this lower bracket where they are getting pulverized by lvl60s. Its the same story than what it was for xp loss in pvp, its easy to see, 52s gonna get farmed for YT, devs are warned, do what? Take a course of action that ignores the feedback. This is like groundhogs day from the years before where devs took bad decisions when all the feedback was there on the forums for them to make the right ones. Durabells post on forums in a constructive criticism thread was a metaphorical "yes we know you dont like it, were not interested in knowing why you dont like it, the underlying notes being, we know better (although we dont actually play on the box), we dont need your feedback".
The first 18 months of the server or so failed badly because they refused to listen to feedback telling them xp loss in PvP was gonna bleed the semi-casual, new to the game pop away because of griefers, made the box boring and purple because many people didnt wanna take the xp hit when they died so fled every encounter and make zergs sit in raid zones uncontested. Theyre response was basically lawl u guys and your feedback, this isnt Call of Duty. Nihilum being so hard to dethrone now is a consequence of that decision to ignore the feedback we gave them on a silver platter. Now theyre going a step further by explicitely saying they dont care about our feedback, instead of mainly just ignoring it. I know Sirken said otherwise, but durabell also represents the staff and the way he acts, what he posts, thats the message hes sending. Theyre now linking staff decision criticism to account ban threats. I know its meant for people like Cast mainly, but theyre going overboard with this. It should be for people posting gay porn or shit like that and be made crystal clear that youre never, ever losing an account because youre criticizing dev decisions.
I would have stuck around to try to push for xp to be turned back to where it was but with moderation going full retard and the new threat that hangs over our accounts if we dare open our mouths, im gonna cut my losses early and pack my bags. I have a big mouth and have trouble restraining myself saying how i feel so im saving myself some potential grief down the line.
Ive already had my 44 druid account on blue banned by Uthgaard over some stupid power tripping shit years ago, im not going through that again with a GM like durabell around once again, who might take all that time you invested in your character and throw it away because you looked at him funny or being critical of his behavior. Before you say lawls dirty whistle, i petitioned 3 years later and laid out my case and Rogean flagged my thread for GM attention, and it was finally unbanned. So yea, Darubell giving me a week-long forum ban because "im posting hes wrong too many times" probably because i poke fun at his haughty behavior, weighted in my decision to hang my red99 jersey for a while, after bringing back unpleasant memories of getting my blue druid unfairly banned by Uthgaard. Yes, there is some trash on the forums that needs to be taken out. But banning people because theyre posting a GM is wrong too many times, stopping people from posting constructive criticism, instituting a series of clamping down that sends a chill down effect on constructive criticism and discussion, thats garbage too.
GM Derabuel lying to our face, telling the playerbase that they imagined things, to stop QQing, only to announce hours later a major xp nerf. How can you take anything this guy says seriously after that? A quick skim of the forums shows him locking down and deleting constructive threads that dont agree with his position: "Have faith. Also, please stop making XP threads, because I'm just going to delete them" and leaving threads on the subject that agree with his position alone, undeleted and unlocked (That bamzal enjoy the grind journey thread, Faeries thread about accepting XP nerf and for people to stop posting that its making them not log in). If what Kergan said on the forums is true, apparently the GMs said in-game that no xp nerf happened, once again trying to lie to the community.
His post 2 weeks ago on an xp nerf being absolutely necessary, and saying it was his opinion only, not the staff's. So either he was lying to us again, and warming up the community to a change that was already in the works for a long time, like was stated (though his post claimed nothing was set in stone) Or hes really the one in charge with Sirken of game mechanics on red which would be disastrous (I mean Darubell, Sirken i think is allrite, not sure about what he would do to make server grow though). Were talking here about the guy who thinks slowing down xp to make players learn about pvp is more important than those players not staying lvl 52 for a long time, so they dont get roflstomed. Shit, im not even that good at EQ and i know a 52 will get roflstomped by a 60, no matter what. Whats more, they got all that extra time now to gear up till newbies get in range so the gap in power is even wider. Hopefully thats not the person making calls on what gets implemented on PVP servers.
How XP nerf was implemented demonstrates how little some of the GMs understand this community, and demonstrates their contempt and ignorance of the communitys knowledge of the game and the state of the server. They thought they could sneak in an xp nerf this big on the population without them noticing, thats laughable. Some of these cave dwellers would know if you moved the efreeti spawn by a foot. Lying about the nerf, trying to ridicule people who politely asked if the xp had been nerfed as an attempt to close the discussion. When it was obvious they werent gonna sneak that one in they admitted in a post they had lied (not saying this explicitely), never saying ok sorry for trying to deceive you guys. GM Durabell went into damage control mode and started banning vocal critics and deleting or locking threads. The way this was pushed through was unbeleivably unprofessional and conceited. After playing bad cop, GM Durabell then tries to play good cop by posting funny ironic stuff like "Thank you all for your feedback. If you have any other ideas, thoughts, or would just like to rant, feel free to PM me." Yea so youre not allowed to brainstorm on the subject, feel free to waste your time sending me feedback on an issue ive obviously already made up my mind about and that the community or devs wont read and add their own feedback to, so we can figure out the best solution together.
Yeah people like me get heated, but you have to understand alot of time is invested on this server and people can get aggravated over seeing the devs or GMs moving forward unilaterally, not taking feedback into consideration (yet again) with measures that most players beleive will impoverish the server they love playing on, argumenting the reasoning behind their disagreement. Devs and GMs position in a nutshell seems to be "Trust us, were experts, and were not explaining why we think doing something that made the population drop multiple times before is going to make the population go up this time around".
Still, thanks to Rogean and Nilbog, the staff for making server happen, just wish you would listen to feedback more, because obviously you need it (especially on who you pick as GMs) and the forum wasnt dangerously sliding down to a place where criticism isnt welcomed. "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security" and all that crap. If you are not willing to trust or take in consideration the feedback from the playerbase at face value, then have internal testers check that feedback out. But you should stop having people like GM Durabell who obviously dont play on the server making ill-advised, misinformed decisions on what the server needs to expand its playerbase and heavy handedly shutting down discussion on the forums. I think the sad truth is they give close to 0 fucks about our feedback. They just implement changes when people complain loudly for a long time on the forums and they finally realize they did something wrong
QQ right Durabell?
TLDR: Dont start playing on red99
This was intended as feedback for red99 but realized toward the end they didnt give a fuck about why or if they were wrong, so posting it here cuz i dont wanna waste all that analysis lol
LachiusTZ
Rogue Deathwalker Box
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You must not have been around for the beta and months of devs not listening to the players then. And the subsequent insane decisions made despite the players saying X will happen, and then X happened.
Also, any good will Sirken had was severely tainted when he sold loot for drugs on VZ/TZ. And his routine on R99, I would not trust that guy to manage vending machines anymore. Two faced, weak, etc.
Also, any good will Sirken had was severely tainted when he sold loot for drugs on VZ/TZ. And his routine on R99, I would not trust that guy to manage vending machines anymore. Two faced, weak, etc.
othree
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Tried telling people ages ago. Played with Rogean in <Legacy> years ago on Winters Roar, and the dude couldn't even take criticism on how to play his class better. Not sure why anyone expected more of him or his staff when placed in a larger role of power.
othree
Bronze Knight of the Realm
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Indeed. Sirken is a fan of the opiates. Or was. Hopefully he's gotten his shit together since then.
Alasliasolonik
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krysanth
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othree
Bronze Knight of the Realm
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Yup. He was part of that weird little crew of shit turds - Shurley, Dakim, some rogue whos name starts with a K, and one other dude. For the life of me, I never understood why Honch let them in the guild and then let them stay in the guild. Granted this was during 36 man raids, but even still those dudes were greedy shitbags with little ability to press buttons on a simple game like Everquest.
Also what level is Nylab on KP now? And do you plan to keep playing?
Big Flex
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Just got my level 60 shaman banned strictly for telling them to go fuck themselves. I did that because they nerfed xp knowing full well it would cripple the pop and feed us a bunch of contradictory bullshit to placate us. Again, for a comment on the forums, i got a level 60 shaman banned. Stay far away from this shithole.
pharmakos
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