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Big Phoenix

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Huh? Perhaps you haven't been paying very close attention to American politics for the last 200 years but that's EXACTLY what happens. Corporations have had our politicians in their pocket to do their bidding for so fucking long that our country knows of no other way to conduct its business. Are you really that clueless to think that the regulatory roadblocks put in place were all just put in by contrarian liberals to stifle business in general rather than put in by our politicians at the behest of their corporate overlords in order to stifle the competition?

At what point do you grow out of that naivete?
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And who elects those politicians? Come on man, people have been playing this blame the corporation shit forever. Corporations dont vote, you do. Yeah they can give money to politicians and lobby them and all that but Comcast doesnt get to vote(and yeah I realize their board of directors and such can vote, but thats an extremely small group of people compared to the group people getting fucked over who can vote). Maybe if people realized its their own damn fault for electing pieces of shit into offices instead of trying to deflect and blame someone else we could unfuck some of this bullshit.
 
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Big Phoenix_sl said:
And who elects those politicians? Come on man, people have been playing this blame the corporation shit forever. Corporations dont vote, you do. Yeah they can give money to politicians and lobby them and all that but Comcast doesnt get to vote(and yeah I realize their board of directors and such can vote, but thats an extremely small group of people compared to the group people getting fucked over who can vote). Maybe if people realized its their own damn fault for electing pieces of shit into offices instead of trying to deflect and blame someone else we could unfuck some of this bullshit.
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Have you ever worked in politics? Just curious.
 
Big Phoenix

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The Master_sl said:
Have you ever worked in politics? Just curious.
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No. Then again I never had a corporation telling me who to vote for either.

Yeah I get corporations have billions and billions of dollars to throw at politicians or any potential politician. At the end of the day they dont get to vote nor do they stand for office. WE elect people, not corporations. If a shitty person makes it into a position its OUR fault, no one else.
 
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Big Phoenix_sl said:
No. Then again I never had a corporation telling me who to vote for either.

Yeah I get corporations have billions and billions of dollars to throw at politicians or any potential politician. At the end of the day they dont get to vote nor do they stand for office. WE elect people, not corporations. If a shitty person makes it into a position its OUR fault, no one else.
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In the upcoming election, I want you to vote for the guy who has no donations from corporations. Hell, I'll even limit it to major corporations. Let me know how many options you have that aren't third-party candidates who are never going to win. Actually if you want a fun challenge, try voting for the guy who isn't supported by the SAME corporations. They usually buy up both sides, just to be safe.

All that advertising candidates do? That is paid for by someone. Mostly corporations. You've been told who to vote for by corporations if you've ever seen a sign supporting a candidate, a commercial, anything. Maybe you didn't listen, but it happened. I grew up in a political family, I've worked in politics for over twenty years, and this is the reality. Ironically when I volunteer in "take back your Government" movements that try and ween people away from corporate candidates, our success rate in convincing people that corporations really have that much control is only 30%. So you're in the majority, most people don't believe it.
 
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I'd just like to say that the real victims of the enormous theft of funds that happened for internet infrastructure in the 90's is rural communities. Billions went straight into the executives and senators pockets, empty fiber was laid down in all the alleyways (not connected to anything), and we all got 1.5 mbit dsl. Which we already had. And it used existing copper.

Here it is 2014 and I still only have 1.5mbit dsl, for 70 a month. There are a lot of people that should be just now maybe getting out on parole over this. Verizon wireless exists because of this massive screwover.

In cities, competition does at least get you something. In all the cities I lived in, there were choices. Rural people that the legislation and money were supposed to help, got completely shafted.
 
Big Phoenix

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The Master_sl said:
In the upcoming election, I want you to vote for the guy who has no donations from corporations. Hell, I'll even limit it to major corporations. Let me know how many options you have that aren't third-party candidates who are never going to win. Actually if you want a fun challenge, try voting for the guy who isn't supported by the SAME corporations. They usually buy up both sides, just to be safe.

All that advertising candidates do? That is paid for by someone. Mostly corporations. You've been told who to vote for by corporations if you've ever seen a sign supporting a candidate, a commercial, anything. Maybe you didn't listen, but it happened. I grew up in a political family, I've worked in politics for over twenty years, and this is the reality. Ironically when I volunteer in "take back your Government" movements that try and ween people away from corporate candidates, our success rate in convincing people that corporations really have that much control is only 30%. So you're in the majority, most people don't believe it.
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And why arent they going to win? Because were too stupid to support/vote for them. Again no one is forcing us to pick shitty and corrupted candidates. In this day and age of the internet and how easy it is to disseminate information and ideas, theres zero reason why a non-corporate lackey cant become a viable politician other than the fact that the electorate doesnt want that(for whatever reason).

At the end of the day you dont have to vote for corporate shill_01. No one forced anyone to vote for Obama, they were more than happy.
 
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Big Phoenix_sl said:
And why arent they going to win? Because were too stupid to support/vote for them. Again no one is forcing us to pick shitty and corrupted candidates. In this day and age of the internet and how easy it is to disseminate information and ideas, theres zero reason why a non-corporate lackey cant become a viable politician other than the fact that the electorate doesnt want that(for whatever reason).

At the end of the day you dont have to vote for corporate shill_01. No one forced anyone to vote for Obama, they were more than happy.
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So you're in the other 70% who doesn't get it. OK, that's fine. You should volunteer for a political campaign sometime (believe me when I say volunteers are always welcome).
 
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The problem isn't that we vote in the wrong people, it's that there isn't a right person to vote for because they don't have the resources to even run for office. The only exception is someone who is already rich but they always end up being bat shit crazy. I mean you have to be to run for office and use your own money right?
 
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Bloomberg would have been a great candidate in that regards, but now he's gone back to making money. Oh well.....
 
Big Phoenix

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The Master_sl said:
So you're in the other 70% who doesn't get it. OK, that's fine. You should volunteer for a political campaign sometime (believe me when I say volunteers are always welcome).
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I dont get it, you think I voted for Romney or Obama in the last election? Just because you see a political ad someone doesnt mean you have to vote for that person. Again if you are too stupid/uninformed when youre in the voting booth and looking at a list of names, that is not the fault of corporations. Maybe 50 years ago, but in the age of the internet? No excuses.

Though think we getting off topic. What you bros think about the big freeze? Think the universe is going to settle down into a state of absolute zero?
 
iannis

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I think predictions like that are religious in nature. Honestly.

"Assuming that everything we know is true, and that we know everything relevant then OBVIOUSLY it follows that" Yuh huh.

I've read that Asimov story too. It's a great story.

It's a great story.
 
BrutulTM

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Voting third party is the only way to break the corporate money stranglehold on Washington. I have been doing it for 15 years now and I will keep doing it. I don't give a shit if my vote is "wasted" on someone that can't win. It's even more wasted if I use it on a corporate shill that isn't representing me or my interests (i.e. all Republicans and Democrats). I just keep hoping that at some point the rest of the retards will realize that if Congress has a 5% approval rating year after year then the reasonable reaction would be to not vote for those people again.
 
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All corporations aren't the same. Even if every politician was literally just the spokesman for a corporation and had zero control over what they said, it would still be important to make a choice that mattered between them.

In practice of course, corporations have nowhere near that kind of control. So throwing away your vote on some 3rd party is silly.
 
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Big Phoenix_sl said:
I dont get it, you think I voted for Romney or Obama in the last election? Just because you see a political ad someone doesnt mean you have to vote for that person. Again if you are too stupid/uninformed when youre in the voting booth and looking at a list of names, that is not the fault of corporations. Maybe 50 years ago, but in the age of the internet? No excuses.

Though think we getting off topic. What you bros think about the big freeze? Think the universe is going to settle down into a state of absolute zero?
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I think you've never worked in politics and so don't understand how politics actually works. Volunteering on a campaign would correct that, in part.
 
BrutulTM

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The Master_sl said:
I think you've never worked in politics and so don't understand how politics actually works. Volunteering on a campaign would correct that, in part.
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That obviously isn't going to happen so why don't you just stop being a condescending douche fuck?
 
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