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Sean complaint box
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Vaclav
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a_skeleton_03 and Merlin do it in places Sean rarely views though. (And I'd tend to disagree with a_skeleton_03 although I've not tread into the religion thread that I've heard is his opus)
Column: Mods aren't here to RRP people for going after them, they're here to moderate the forum - for everyone - so being obnoxious to others still falls under the mantle he's supposed to protect as a moderator. If he was only moderating people that annoyed him personally that would be a ridiculous abuse.
Except clearly by that quote I am someone that annoys Sean, and his Quote came really early into today's debates without any provocation.
There are plenty of other mods that just tell me to stop, and guess what I've stopped everytime. This was not about moderation IMHO
There are plenty of other mods that just tell me to stop, and guess what I've stopped everytime. This was not about moderation IMHO
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You're flipflopping like makes you annoying in that thread right now and/or being obtuse, Column.
I'm personally done discussing it with you - I've given you the advice I could - hopefully you have the maturity to take it to heart, because right now you're demonstrating that you did need some time to cool off - which is what you're complaining about, in a nutshell.
I'm personally done discussing it with you - I've given you the advice I could - hopefully you have the maturity to take it to heart, because right now you're demonstrating that you did need some time to cool off - which is what you're complaining about, in a nutshell.
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Probably because of their history - looking back over it, it's clear that one of you needed a breather. Given that Sean dislikes Column, he leaned that way. Problem was solved with one of you out of the way.
What advice is that exactly? to always agree with Sean or get RRPed?
Sorry I will never take that advice, so you can move along.
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Not saying the amount of intervention could or could not have been inappropriate (really that comes down to the moderation rules - which aren't on public display here) - but some level was needed.
It might be that they've got a strike system for mods where if you've got multiple strikes in the past like Column does that you skip warning, not sure their policies. But something happening with a warning or better did make sense. And with his history being worse than yours (by quite a bit) it's no shock he targeted Column over you.
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I never said that - again, showing yourself to be less than mature - taking the high road and signing off from something with a "I disagree, I feel X - nothing you say will change that - but I'm done discussing it with you" - is appropriate for times like that where it just becomes a circular argument. (Which you seem quite fond of, and really aren't productive - and yes, I know I get caught in them too sometimes... it's something I catch myself on far later than I should that is on my list of personal traits to work on...)
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Be real here, dude. You have people posting here under American Inventor DICK handles. Moderation? For what? What was he doing wrong?
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cinge wrote something people didn't like for days
got rrped
people support sean cuz they didn't like what they saw
public justice? More like public hanging.
got rrped
people support sean cuz they didn't like what they saw
public justice? More like public hanging.
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No idea the reference there mkopec to compare against - got a link?
And moderation tiers usually start at warnings under most rules that forums use for moderators to follow - but most also have some criteria where you skip straight to bannings/suspensions and the like. (Which we've got RRP which replaces bannings more or less - only the most egregious stuff gets banned) A warning would have made sense to me not knowing the rules the moderators follow here, but without the moderator rules on display it's hard to say if Sean did right or wrong by skipping straight to RRP. But the circular thing needed to stop.
And moderation tiers usually start at warnings under most rules that forums use for moderators to follow - but most also have some criteria where you skip straight to bannings/suspensions and the like. (Which we've got RRP which replaces bannings more or less - only the most egregious stuff gets banned) A warning would have made sense to me not knowing the rules the moderators follow here, but without the moderator rules on display it's hard to say if Sean did right or wrong by skipping straight to RRP. But the circular thing needed to stop.
So if today was an example of this circular arguing that you are referencing, why aren't you in here with me?
You were part of that debate.
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(In case you're wondering why I'm "defending policy" I've moderated a number of forums before and it's very thankless and almost all are pretty strict about following X/Y/Z procedures with bans/suspensions/squelches - there was plenty of times I had to step in on my other forums in a way I felt was too much or too little for an individual case, but moderating properly according to the rules required me to enforce it as I did. [Especially my one forum when it comes to people using "Mod Text" (AKA Red) - they never coded the option to use it out of the normal editor for normal accounts, yet I was required to punish people that used that color quite harshly even on the FIRST occurrence - hated doing it because it's an easy mistake to make you don't leave a mod tool in the public editor then punish people for using it... and that's part of why I'll never mod again, too easy for stupid rules to bind you into stuff you don't want to do or not allow you to do "enough"]
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If you've got the moderator's rules I'd be glad to read them and compare his actions - but I don't think they've made them public - if there's none and it's just "act as you see fit" the criticism falls on him versus the moderation rules. Do we know which applies here?
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Most efficient way to deal with a circular argument when you're moderating is to remove the person that is causing it to continue - which as you can tell from how the tangent continued - removing you did kill it. Mass bans aren't usually kosher barring serious oddities. (In fact, in moderating various forums from 98 til 2010 or so - I can only remember a few mass bannings, and all of them were either spam armies or Nazi/equivalent nonsense)
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