Severance

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My assumption was that it was going to either be very lazy and be the Eagan’s building immortality and transferring consciousnesses into new bodies or slightly less lazy and them figuring out how to just reincarnate Kier which is why they made a point of Helly’s father telling her that she reminded him of Kier because she will be his new vessel. Gemma is some kind of test for recreating someone’s consciousness and all of the rooms are conditioning and overwriting “her” which is underneath her severed personality. I think that’s why the Cold Harbor test was so important, it was seeing how she acted without a severed personality and if she would respond like they programmed her to instinctively and had become someone else. It’s going to end up being a really shitty Being John Malkovich.

Eagan father is also telegraphing being sick and dying so that could tie into this being a project to transfer their consciousnesses and live forever but it also might just be a red herring

It's definitely "Mystery Box" garbage writing. Slightly answer one question but pose a half dozen more; keep people perpetually on the hook with "mystery". What are the files that the rest of the team are working on? I assume wife for Dylan, Burt for Irving and her father for Helly but what do those files do since none of those people are going through the Gemma process? Are Dylan's wife, Burt and Eagan father going to have their consciousnesses overwritten as well? Why do characters obfuscate information even when speaking to other characters that are privy to the same information as them? Why was Miss Huang involved? Just a parallel with Cobel and doing a Hitler youth thing? Are they going to make Mr. Milkshake dance every season because they are already falling back onto memberberries?

Cobel is going to be, and already is, a lame diegetic tool to convey tiny bits of information regarding the severance to the viewer as that are required for plot progression, similar to including a psychiatrist, they are allowed to cheat “show don’t tell” by showing themselves telling due to being a specific expert in their field, she can drip feed severance tech babble to the characters outside of the extreme laziness of a pure exposition dump but they already had a character that could do that with the rogue severance scientist doctor so why replace her with Cobel when that took the hamfisted "hick town ether sniffing teenage girl invents groundbreaking technology and medical procedure" plot inclusion?

It was overall a bad Act2 ending. It put the characters all in a low spot to then triumph in S3 but nothing was resolved. We went from finding out that Ms. Casey is Gemma as the end of S1 to not really anywhere at the end of S2.

Edit: Also, the guy playing Kier has been in 17 of the 19 episodes as a credit only or voice so they're telegraphing him still being around or maybe hiding him in random places or he gets credit every time a painting is shown with his likeness
 
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why the fuck would you have an entire 100 man marching band, for the one time in 4 years a dude gets a "you the man now dawg" 20 minute step off? milkshake is great but jesus that whole thing just felt like the writers jerking off to how much people loved milkshakes dance in season 1 instead of actual logical reasons to do any of that garbage.

the real Lumon would have put a bullet in mark's head the second Cold Harbor reached 100%, not make fucking paintings and gay drumming

season 2 finale

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why the fuck would you have an entire 100 man marching band, for the one time in 4 years a dude gets a "you the man now dawg" 20 minute step off? milkshake is great but jesus that whole thing just felt like the writers jerking off to how much people loved milkshakes dance in season 1 instead of actual logical reasons to do any of that garbage.

the real Lumon would have put a bullet in mark's head the second Cold Harbor reached 100%, not make fucking paintings and gay drumming

season 2 finale

It was definitely self-indulgent over the top fanservice trying to spark some memes.

I kinda hate what they did with Milchick this season. He seemed so toothless. He got the worse end of so many interactions that it took away from the times when he really stood up for himself.
 
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It was definitely self-indulgent over the top fanservice trying to spark some memes.

I kinda hate what they did with Milchick this season. He seemed so toothless. He got the worse end of so many interactions that it took away from the times when he really stood up for himself.

That’s a really verbose way of saying “this show is gay now.”
 
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kinda doing a rewatching, show my wife the first eps now she is binging

cobol said to the inners that her mom is an atheist blah blah

next scene fake neighbor cobol is talking to outie mark her religious mom said, blah blah
 

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Pretty silly ending. Was really convinced it would end with outie mark and jenna escaping and her telling him yang (whatever her name is) was their daughter which sets up season 3 and gives a reason for outie mark to work with innie mark.

Instead innie mark just goes rogue after the show already established, with hellie confirming, that he understood his life was completely assfucked and over anyways and his only way to live was the possibility of reintigration. I have little hope that season 3 is going to be able to not be ridiculous.

On another note. I think the no security stuff can be overlooked by the world they’ve built. They’ve established Luman is the biggest most hubristic company (world power?) so it makes psycological sense why they don[t have security. They’ve think they are 110% in control. Also there wouldn’t be a show if there was even walmart security around / at the doors.

Lastly, the bolt gun going off was hilarious.
 

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Overall, I thought the finale was an improvement over much of the season but still had its flaws.

The conversation between inne and outtie Mark was pretty good and I'm glad they didn't make it all copacetic between them. I think that was probably a pretty realistic outcome.

I didn't find innie Mark deciding not to go out all that strange. If you don't want to kill yourself, committing suicide probably doesn't come too easily. I don't think he believes outie Mark's words about reintegration and then he loses Helly even if that works in some way. While obviously it seems like they will just die anyway, I imagine he thinks he can do something inside to fix or, perhaps more likely, to be able to escape Lumon as his innie self. Helena is an Egan so she's kind of being held hostage while Helly has control.

That said, all this buildup to Cold Harbor and it's just... erasing vestigial feelings from a severed person? Shit like the goat and the 100 person marching band I don't really like because it's just weird for weird's sake.

Some good comedy bits in this one which the show had been missing a lot of compared to the first season. Milchick running full speed after giving Dylan his letter, his dancing despite the dumb band, and the accidental killing of Drummond.

I was sad that Milchick's character really didn't go anywhere after all the segments this season where he's shown doubting his role and his place. I get that he's struggling between resisting and doubling down on being the perfect employee, but I felt like it should have went somewhere further this season. I was really expecting a moment where he's trying to stop the gang but then decides to let them go but that obviously didn't happen. Maybe it'll pay off next season.
 

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Pretty silly ending. Was really convinced it would end with outie mark and jenna escaping and her telling him yang (whatever her name is) was their daughter which sets up season 3 and gives a reason for outie mark to work with innie mark.

Instead innie mark just goes rogue after the show already established, with hellie confirming, that he understood his life was completely assfucked and over anyways and his only way to live was the possibility of reintigration. I have little hope that season 3 is going to be able to not be ridiculous.

On another note. I think the no security stuff can be overlooked by the world they’ve built. They’ve established Luman is the biggest most hubristic company (world power?) so it makes psycological sense why they don[t have security. They’ve think they are 110% in control. Also there wouldn’t be a show if there was even walmart security around / at the doors.

Lastly, the bolt gun going off was hilarious.
How could she possibly be their daughter? Outtie Mark and Gemma haven't even known each other for as old as that girl is. They were only married four years and it's only been something like two years since her disappearance. I think any way that girl is their daughter adds a layer of ridiculousness that the show doesn't need.
 
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How could she possibly be their daughter? Outtie Mark and Gemma haven't even known each other for as old as that girl is. They were only married four years and it's only been something like two years since her disappearance. I think any way that girl is their daughter adds a layer of ridiculousness that the show doesn't need.

I thought someone said the timing matched up with her age and her 'death'. If the timing doesn't match then ya that's dumb
 

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Can't get into this. The premise is too retarded. I cannot conceive of any kind of work that would necessitate this level of secrecy. Especially since its just otherwise boring office drama.

Complexity for the sake of complexity.
 

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Saw a good point on the internetz.

The final act of Mark S denying Gemma for Helly is essentially the proof Cold Harbor was looking for. Separating the most emotional affecting part of his life between his inny and outtie. Thought that was an interesting note in that the test, accidentally or otherwise, was concluded successful but on a different test subject than originalyl intended.
 
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Saw a good point on the internetz.

The final act of Mark S denying Gemma for Helly is essentially the proof Cold Harbor was looking for. Separating the most emotional affecting part of his life between his inny and outtie. Thought that was an interesting note in that the test, accidentally or otherwise, was concluded successful but on a different test subject than originalyl intended.

but hasn't that already been done, innie Mark didn't react at all in season 1 over multiple interactions with Ms. Casey
 

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Saw a good point on the internetz.

The final act of Mark S denying Gemma for Helly is essentially the proof Cold Harbor was looking for. Separating the most emotional affecting part of his life between his inny and outtie. Thought that was an interesting note in that the test, accidentally or otherwise, was concluded successful but on a different test subject than originalyl intended.

which was stupid though, why do they need to prove that out like that in such a complicated way - early in the episode I thought the big world changing forever discovery had a lot more to do with the 25 different personalities on one chip (still, so what?) but when that scene with them talking about her and the crib was so amazing that it didn't illicit emotion it went a bit off the rails for me. So the discovery is that your chip that works and you see working every day really works? whoa world changing.
 
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but hasn't that already been done, innie Mark didn't react at all in season 1 over multiple interactions with Ms. Casey
There was definitely something in the scenes, especially their last one when he knows she's going away. I think you're reading too little into their interactions in season 1.

That said I don't think innie mark choosing to stay was a sign he was completely disconnected from Gemma. He first of all knows it's basically suicide for him and he was still starting to push the door but then Helly showed up, which is another strong conflicting emotional pull.
 
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I think people are going to really like this episode only to later sour on the whole thing a few episodes in to rewatching the season.
Dunno, reading the reaction to the finale in this thread, doesn't sound like people are happy.

This is another episode where I'm halfway through and bored, so reading this thread and responding before I'm even done.
 
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I really hate these "keep watching to reveal the mysteries we don't explain" shows in general. They don't ever payoff, the mysteries aren't that interesting, and it's a very cheap and lame narrative device to try to keep you interested to figure out what X Y or Z is all about.

Hollywood absolutely loves these dystopian environments, weird shit like the marching band celebration and dancing boss thing (wtf, who would want your boss to dance for you?) and at the end, the scene of them running through the hallways was fully 2 minutes long with absolutely no point.

Bullshit artistic visuals with no point, no payoff, no real story. The conflict between the innies and outies is very artificial and boring since the innies are artificially created, they aren't individual people. Whole thing just seems contrived.
 
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I really hate these "keep watching to reveal the mysteries we don't explain" shows in general. They don't ever payoff, the mysteries aren't that interesting, and it's a very cheap and lame narrative device to try to keep you interested to figure out what X Y or Z is all about.

Hollywood absolutely loves these dystopian environments, weird shit like the marching band celebration and dancing boss thing (wtf, who would want your boss to dance for you?) and at the end, the scene of them running through the hallways was fully 2 minutes long with absolutely no point.

Bullshit artistic visuals with no point, no payoff, no real story. The conflict between the innies and outies is very artificial and boring since the innies are artificially created, they aren't individual people. Whole thing just seems contrived.
At the start of this year I went and watched 12 Monkeys. An episode or two in, I looked up whether it had a payoff or more LOST bullshit. All the feedback was correct, not only was the ending incredibly satisfying, they did their best to literally tie every fucking mystery up with a pretty bow. It was actually pretty amazing, and became one of my favorite shows.

After, I was reading some interview with the guy who wrote it, and he even mentioned a quote from Lindelof I think who said "people don't want answers, they want to keep getting hooked by the mysteries." His response was that's fucking retarded and people want answers and a payoff. Apparently he went in on one of the last seasons of one of those recent Star Trek abomination shows that was universally panned and turned out an amazing season.
 
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At the start of this year I went and watched 12 Monkeys. An episode or two in, I looked up whether it had a payoff or more LOST bullshit. All the feedback was correct, not only was the ending incredibly satisfying, they did their best to literally tie every fucking mystery up with a pretty bow. It was actually pretty amazing, and became one of my favorite shows.

After, I was reading some interview with the guy who wrote it, and he even mentioned a quote from Lindelof I think who said "people don't want answers, they want to keep getting hooked by the mysteries." His response was that's fucking retarded and people want answers and a payoff. Apparently he went in on one of the last seasons of one of those recent Star Trek abomination shows that was universally panned and turned out an amazing season.
Never even heard of 12 monkeys, I'll check it out.
 
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