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Adebisi said:
I loved the argument Mark had with Mark in the birthing house. It's stuff I didn't bother thinking about: mostly that even if they recombine their conciousness, who gets to be in control? Will Mrs Casey get the D 16 hours a day and Helly 8 hours a day? Will the ladies be able to protest this arrangement? Merging together sounds like a goddamn nightmare where no one is happy. No wonder Petey croaked. Innie Petey prob wanted to watch Hentai all day and outie wanted to hang out at the pub.
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The conversation was cool, but it seems senseless because they are the same person. They aren't two consciousnesses, they are the same consciousness with access to two different sets of memories. It's not really explained if their personalities are different or if it segregates different parts of their personalities, but I would think the personalities would be the same just with access to different sets of memories, thus when they merge there is no "well you like this and I like that" it's just you with access to all of the memories. Both the innie and the outie exist, together, in one, just as they always have - they just now see all of the memories that before this, they didn't.

If it was explained differently then I could be making this up but that was how it seemed to me. Which made the whole "well I would die" thing stupid because you're not dying, you're merging.
 
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Adebisi said:
I don't know if this was discussed yet ... could old man Egan want innie Helly made his heir to the company? He was impressed by innie Helly's willingness to stab him.

Could it also be that innie helly is actually outide helly - severed at a very young age?
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I think old man Egan was disillusioned with Outie Helena and sees Innie Helly as a means to start fresh with his own progeny.
I also get the feeling Helena might have more than two personalities and a third might only exist in oldman Egan's mansion
 
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Adebisi said:
Did they ever explain how Gemma actually landed in Lumen? Maybe I was zoned out but I feel like they just kinda transitioned from she leaves to the doctor then Mark gets news she's dead... then Gemma is being held at Lumen. Did she agree to this? Did they off her free baby?
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There's a scene in the flashback episode where Gemma is sitting at the kitchen table going through some Lumon literature and looking at the flash cards. She mentions something about one of the drawings representing a man fighting his own ego. They've more or less set up Lumon as Scientology and the MDR/Testing Floor as a high tech version of going clear. So it sees like Gemma got herself involved in the pseudo religion and at some point wasn't allowed to leave
 
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Cad said:
The conversation was cool, but it seems senseless because they are the same person. They aren't two consciousnesses, they are the same consciousness with access to two different sets of memories. It's not really explained if their personalities are different or if it segregates different parts of their personalities, but I would think the personalities would be the same just with access to different sets of memories, thus when they merge there is no "well you like this and I like that" it's just you with access to all of the memories. Both the innie and the outie exist, together, in one, just as they always have - they just now see all of the memories that before this, they didn't.

If it was explained differently then I could be making this up but that was how it seemed to me. Which made the whole "well I would die" thing stupid because you're not dying, you're merging.
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What is the difference between two consciousnesses and one consciousness that has access to two completely different sets of memories?? You are describing the same thing in two different ways.

And there would indeed be conflict when the two consciousnesses merge. It's one of the key concepts of the show. would the combined Mark be in love with Gemma or with Helly? How would the newly acquired memories of Helly affect Mark's feelings for Gemma and vice versa?
 
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Jive Turkey said:
What is the difference between two consciousnesses and one consciousness that has access to two completely different sets of memories?? You are describing the same thing in two different ways.
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Brain-wise, I'm viewing the consciousness as the actual hardware of the brain (with all of its chemical variations - neurotransmitter balance, neuroplasticity, basic intelligence, etc etc) along whatever connections are made between neurons. Your memories can't really be separated from this in any meaningful way, because I think the connections that are made between neurons and the new pathways are probably literally your memories, but I didn't invent this fucking show.

In computer terms, the consciousness is the OS and programs, and the memories are the save games. You're playing the same game, just from a different point and different starting conditions.
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And there would indeed be conflict when the two consciousnesses merge. It's one of the key concepts of the show. would the combined Mark be in love with Gemma or with Helly? How would the newly acquired memories of Helly affect Mark's feelings for Gemma and vice versa?
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I think he'd be in love with both, he'd have fond memories of Helly and fond memories of Gemma. You never had a girl you liked while you also liked another girl? It would seem like having a work girlfriend to him post-merger, because he is the same person.

Thats how I'd see it happening, anyway. And what is the alternative? Helly isn't going to stick around, her outtie can effectively delete the innie-memories at any time and stop coming to work. So there isn't a choice where you get to "keep" Helly - she's always going to disappear. But now you don't get Gemma either, and you create needless conflict with everyone for something you can't have anyway. Makes absolutely zero sense.
 
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Merge Mark better start pitching that poly lifestyle shit to the ladies asap or it ain't gonna work.
 
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I think he'd be in love with both, he'd have fond memories of Helly and fond memories of Gemma. You never had a girl you liked while you also liked another girl? It would seem like having a work girlfriend to him post-merger, because he is the same person.

Thats how I'd see it happening, anyway. And what is the alternative? Helly isn't going to stick around, her outtie can effectively delete the innie-memories at any time and stop coming to work. So there isn't a choice where you get to "keep" Helly - she's always going to disappear. But now you don't get Gemma either, and you create needless conflict with everyone for something you can't have anyway. Makes absolutely zero sense.
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It's not perfectly logical, but it "makes sense" from innie Mark's pov to choose a very slim chance of staying alive with a women he's in love with rather than cease existing.

What doesn't make sense to me is Helly's role at the end. She knows she's safe because she's heir to all of Lumen, but is dooming the man she loves to probable death . Was expecting a reveal that she was Helena posing as Helly again, but women are just evil I guess.
 
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