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Cybsled
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Toronaga's plan with Mariko was all the stuff pre-ninja attack. He had basically put them in checkmate
1) Mariko isn't allowed to leave, she kills herself and Ishido loses support from Lady Ochiba and other lords in Osaka
2) Mariko is allowed to leave because she is not a prisoner, so other hostages request to leave as well, causing Ishido to lose support from other lords in Osaka (because their family arent hostage anymore)
The ninja plan was the only avenue Ishido had left: Kidnap Mariko and then potentially lay the blame on someone else. They just needed to keep Mariko alive until Toronaga was executed. Yabu was approached by one of Ishido's men earlier in the episode and told that Yabu could escape his fate and serve Ishido, but there would be a price. The price was letting the ninjas into the compound so they could execute their plan.
Mariko figured out what was happening during the attack and took the only step she could to invalidate Ishido's plan, ensuring that Toronaga's plan would succeed.
1) Mariko isn't allowed to leave, she kills herself and Ishido loses support from Lady Ochiba and other lords in Osaka
2) Mariko is allowed to leave because she is not a prisoner, so other hostages request to leave as well, causing Ishido to lose support from other lords in Osaka (because their family arent hostage anymore)
The ninja plan was the only avenue Ishido had left: Kidnap Mariko and then potentially lay the blame on someone else. They just needed to keep Mariko alive until Toronaga was executed. Yabu was approached by one of Ishido's men earlier in the episode and told that Yabu could escape his fate and serve Ishido, but there would be a price. The price was letting the ninjas into the compound so they could execute their plan.
Mariko figured out what was happening during the attack and took the only step she could to invalidate Ishido's plan, ensuring that Toronaga's plan would succeed.
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BrutulTM
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Yeah I've been watching this show and Tokyo Vice at the same time and I can't watch either if I'm even a little sleepy or I wind up looking away from the screen and missing something that someone said. Forget trying to watch either show with your phone in your hand, but that's actually a good thing.
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Xarpolis
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Shogun's 2 books make up the entire season of the show. The following books of the series are about different parts of Asia.
There's 6 books total (Shogun was just 1 that they later split up), and Shogun was the 3rd in the series.
The first book was King Rat, which he wrote about himself being a POW.
Tai-Pan was the 2nd book, and it's about Hong-Kong after an earlier opium war, and it's what started American and European traders trying to open trade routes with China.
You've seen the 3rd book. 4th is called Nobel House, which is about more of China, and how it's an active area for CIA, KGB & Peoples Republic of China.
5th book is called Whirlwind, and it's a book about 3-weeks in Tehran in 1979. Then the final book is called Gai-Jin, set in 1862 Japan. It's kind of a sequel to Shogun, almost 300 years later. It's about how various Shogun (rulers) have lost their power, and multiple factions are trying to restore the Emperor.
Fight
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Tremendous show.
I think it was the best series I've seen since early Game of Thrones seasons. The acting, writing, and setting were all A+. The only way it would have been better is if we got more large-battle action scenes, but I didn't think the narrative suffered without them. The way the ended it, I suppose the show could continue or be one & done.
Highly recommend this to anyone that hasn't given it a watch yet.
I think it was the best series I've seen since early Game of Thrones seasons. The acting, writing, and setting were all A+. The only way it would have been better is if we got more large-battle action scenes, but I didn't think the narrative suffered without them. The way the ended it, I suppose the show could continue or be one & done.
Highly recommend this to anyone that hasn't given it a watch yet.
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Agree with Fight. The book is even better. Much better/faithful adaption of the source material than the piece of shit Dune movies.
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Cybsled
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Somber ending, but was good. One point that confused me
Old man Blackthorne - show presents it as a flashforward, but it could also be a “dream”. One give away is he is holding a cross that we think is Mariko’s, but he put that to rest in the ocean. The RL person Blackthorne was based on lived the rest of his life in Japan and even Toronaga admits that he believes Anjin is fated to live in Japan forever
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He never makes it back in the novel. I assumed it was put in to offer some hope to the audience but left open to interpretation.
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Amazing finale and season, definitely would be a great addition to an annual watch list. Anna Sawai better be winning some awards.
The finale really encapsulates the Sun Tzu maxim, "Every battle is won before it is ever fought" and while it was maybe a little convenient I liked that final scene explaining everything between Yabushige and Toranaga. I also wonder how people will see Toranaga, he's 100% a ruthless tier S villain but I get the feeling most people won't see him that way. The way he thinks of Blackthorne the entire season lol
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The finale really encapsulates the Sun Tzu maxim, "Every battle is won before it is ever fought" and while it was maybe a little convenient I liked that final scene explaining everything between Yabushige and Toranaga. I also wonder how people will see Toranaga, he's 100% a ruthless tier S villain but I get the feeling most people won't see him that way. The way he thinks of Blackthorne the entire season lol
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The hints were there. Like his brother shows up and he is like “I heard you have a trained barbarian!” and he would dismiss Blackthorne like he was a toddler
Toronaga demonstrates that being a villain or a hero depends on what side of history you end up on. Toronaga was committed enough to his goal that he let his best bro in the world die (even though it’s clear it was emotionally destroying) and was okay sacrificing pieces on the board to secure a win
His win united Japan and made it stronger in the medium term, although the closed nature eventually took a toll and it took the Meiji Restoration to pull out of that rut
Toronaga demonstrates that being a villain or a hero depends on what side of history you end up on. Toronaga was committed enough to his goal that he let his best bro in the world die (even though it’s clear it was emotionally destroying) and was okay sacrificing pieces on the board to secure a win
His win united Japan and made it stronger in the medium term, although the closed nature eventually took a toll and it took the Meiji Restoration to pull out of that rut
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