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Gravel

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Wow, almost like this franchise is now just a directionless pile of dog shit. They've hired people who don't have any other credits to direct, pigeonholed in random diversity hires, and ignored pretty much everything that made Marvel successful previously.

I'd say they're in a worse spot than DC right now, if not for the fact that they're still making money off the good will the first decade bought them. That's going to eventually run out, and sooner than it probably had to with how terrible the recent content is.
 
Chukzombi

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Gravel said:
Wow, almost like this franchise is now just a directionless pile of dog shit. They've hired people who don't have any other credits to direct, pigeonholed in random diversity hires, and ignored pretty much everything that made Marvel successful previously.

I'd say they're in a worse spot than DC right now, if not for the fact that they're still making money off the good will the first decade bought them. That's going to eventually run out, and sooner than it probably had to with how terrible the recent content is.
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if you look at what is in MCU centric plot content. its also all over the place. no direction at all. they keep throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks. either there is no big bad on the horizon or its a bunch of little big bads that get teased at the end of a film that only the star of that film gets to fight in the next film. it doesnt look like they are doing ensemble Avenger stuff until 2025. probably to get fans off their back about whats the point of the MCU anymore.
 
Grizzlebeard

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Chukzombi said:
if you look at what is in MCU centric plot content. its also all over the place. no direction at all. they keep throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks. either there is no big bad on the horizon or its a bunch of little big bads that get teased at the end of a film that only the star of that film gets to fight in the next film. it doesnt look like they are doing ensemble Avenger stuff until 2025. probably to get fans off their back about whats the point of the MCU anymore.
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Whatever the pay-off is at the end it can't be enough to justify this dogshit filler content.
 
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spronk

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the entire phase 4 was directionless and just people doing their own thing, in theory stuff that started in production the last 3-4 months (we won't see any of it until 2023) should have end goals of Secret Wars and Kang (both 2025 movies) but who knows how that actually works out. By all accounts Black Panther, the final part of phase 4, is gonna be fairly directionless but has a end stinger that ties into Secret Wars.

Secret Invasion is the interesting one, it wrapped production a while back and has been held in the can. Is it because its the only one that ties into the future stuff directly, or is it because it just sucks but has Nick Fury and other big cameos so Marvel is holding it back to reverse the current "this shit is mediocre as fuck" reaction from most fans for everything MCU?
 
Ambiturner

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No idea why people think they all need to be building up to something in order to be good.

No Way Home is one of the best, if not the best, MCU movie regardless if it ties into anything bigger.

Phase 4 is shitty because the movies are shitty. The Beyonder showing up in an end credits teaser wouldn't change that
 
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Mahes

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Ambiturner said:
No idea why people think they all need to be building up to something in order to be good.

No Way Home is one of the best, if not the best, MCU movie regardless if it ties into anything bigger.

Phase 4 is shitty because the movies are shitty. The Beyonder showing up in an end credits teaser wouldn't change that
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We are going to agree to disagree on the best comment.

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Gravel

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Ambiturner said:
No idea why people think they all need to be building up to something in order to be good.

No Way Home is one of the best, if not the best, MCU movie regardless if it ties into anything bigger.

Phase 4 is shitty because the movies are shitty. The Beyonder showing up in an end credits teaser wouldn't change that
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The critique is because even if the movies were somewhat shitty, it might be redeemable if it was building into a larger picture.

But they're both shitty and aimless, so it doesn't even have that going for it.

No Way Home was fine. It's only good because of the cameos. Take that out and it's kind of a meandering mess.
 
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Ambiturner

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Gravel said:
The critique is because even if the movies were somewhat shitty, it might be redeemable if it was building into a larger picture.

But they're both shitty and aimless, so it doesn't even have that going for it.

No Way Home was fine. It's only good because of the cameos. Take that out and it's kind of a meandering mess.
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But then we're going to see movies just for the mid/post credit teasers for other movies that are going to suck. Being happy little consumers like the ones getting excited for movie trailers which are just advertisements.

It's also not fair to call them "cameos" when they're pretty central to the plot. They're definitely a novelty that can't just be reproduced, but you can't really call that some sort of negative.

Even without them, Holland still kills it, the action is pretty great, and the whole Aunt May thing and his big sacrifice to protect everyone was really well done.
 
Gravel

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Why does it only have to be the post credit crap that ties movies together? Isn't that the complaint? The actual movies themselves have nothing to do with anything related.
 
Ambiturner

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Gravel said:
Why does it only have to be the post credit crap that ties movies together? Isn't that the complaint? The actual movies themselves have nothing to do with anything related.
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The complaint is that the movies are shitty.

The earlier MCU movies weren't good because we later learned a Macguffin was an infinity stone or a mid/post credits scene.

Multiverse of Madness wasn't good because of referencing a lot of other things. Eternals wouldn't have been a great movie if Hulk or Thor did a cameo

The idea that they're bad movies for not being connected is ignoring the fact that they're just shitty movies and making not shitty movies should be the priority
 
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Mist

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spronk said:
the entire phase 4 was directionless and just people doing their own thing, in theory stuff that started in production the last 3-4 months (we won't see any of it until 2023) should have end goals of Secret Wars and Kang (both 2025 movies) but who knows how that actually works out. By all accounts Black Panther, the final part of phase 4, is gonna be fairly directionless but has a end stinger that ties into Secret Wars.

Secret Invasion is the interesting one, it wrapped production a while back and has been held in the can. Is it because its the only one that ties into the future stuff directly, or is it because it just sucks but has Nick Fury and other big cameos so Marvel is holding it back to reverse the current "this shit is mediocre as fuck" reaction from most fans for everything MCU?
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Pretty sure Loki Season 2 will be the main leadup to whatever the big event is.
 
Chris

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Phase 4 is in two parts really.

Covid era was all about diversity. Female movie, Chinese movie, Gay movie. Total dogshit.

Post Covid it's setting up the multi-verse and has been better.

They just stopped putting in teasers for team up movies, which has destroyed hype. There is no excuse for those Spiderman/Doctor Strange movies having no Kang teaser.
 
Gravel

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Ambiturner said:
The complaint is that the movies are shitty.

The earlier MCU movies weren't good because we later learned a Macguffin was an infinity stone or a mid/post credits scene.

Multiverse of Madness wasn't good because of referencing a lot of other things. Eternals wouldn't have been a great movie if Hulk or Thor did a cameo

The idea that they're bad movies for not being connected is ignoring the fact that they're just shitty movies and making not shitty movies should be the priority
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Feel like we're saying the same thing.
 
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Chukzombi

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But then we're going to see movies just for the mid/post credit teasers for other movies that are going to suck. Being happy little consumers like the ones getting excited for movie trailers which are just advertisements.

It's also not fair to call them "cameos" when they're pretty central to the plot. They're definitely a novelty that can't just be reproduced, but you can't really call that some sort of negative.

Even without them, Holland still kills it, the action is pretty great, and the whole Aunt May thing and his big sacrifice to protect everyone was really well done.
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because this is the MCU. you cant have self contained world ending stories anymore without involving the other supers that have already been established in other films. you cant put the genie back in the bottle. why wasnt Peter helping Strange in MoM? why wasnt everyone else helping to stop Wanda who was clearly a big enough threat in the other Earth to warrant a full Illuminati response couldnt even get anyone cept Stephen and America Lesbo? either you never have others involved or you always do.
 
Ambiturner

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Chukzombi said:
because this is the MCU. you cant have self contained world ending stories anymore without involving the other supers that have already been established in other films. you cant put the genie back in the bottle. why wasnt Peter helping Strange in MoM? why wasnt everyone else helping to stop Wanda who was clearly a big enough threat in the other Earth to warrant a full Illuminati response couldnt even get anyone cept Stephen and America Lesbo? either you never have others involved or you always do.
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That's a problem with comic/superhero movies in general. Thor and Hulk should make most other superheroes irrelevant.

They're bringing in new heroes to replace the iron man/Captain America/Black Widow, etc. so have to show what they can do solo before you just throw them into a group.

Basically phase 4 being like phase 1 with a different crew. Problem is the movies are just bad. Who gives a shit about these characters in a group when we don't care about any of them?
 
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spronk

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yeah the "dont make the world ending a central part of your show" is a big thing. I liked Hawk-Eye, it was a fun dumb show where the basic premise is dude needs to get back his wife's favorite watch and fight some idiot gangsters and he is too old for this shit, there is no world ending stuff going on. I'm never watching Ms Marvel but I've heard it involves yet another "this character could end the universe!" McGuffin which is just dumb.

Star Trek suffered the same problem, Picard/Discovery had insane extinction level plots every season while Strange New Worlds was mostly "well... this one planet has some weirdos...". MCU needs to get back to those basics. Most of the newer MCU releases have had just too big stakes to care anymore.

Its why I'm a bit more hopeful of She Hulk, I don't know exactly what Tahani's deal is as the villain but hopefully she just wants some secret weight watchers recipes or something to lose weight and isn't out to destroy the world.
 
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Ambiturner said:
No Way Home is one of the best, if not the best, MCU movie regardless if it ties into anything bigger.
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No way home literally established that the mcu can bring back non mcu versions. It doesn't get any bigger than that LMAO
 
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