Should you tip the waitress and how much thread

You totally could have hit that, bro.

If you've read the 'Is it ok to cheat on your spouse' thread. You'd know I'm not in to cheating. Sorry.

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Draegan_sl said:

Your math pretty much ignores the normal costs of doing business. It's not that simple at all. When I say service will turn to shit, I don't mean people are going to be pissing in your face and telling you to fuck off. Servers are going to go up to your table, ask you what you'd like eat, drop off drinks, bring you your food and bring you a bill. If that's the type of service you want, then fine. That's what you'll get if you pay waiters $8 an hour.

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One of our favorite places to eat is the Turkish Star. It's about a 5 minute walk from where I live. When we show up, our favorite server Manaj will help me take the stroller out of the back of my car for my kid. He then gets us two cokes and some bread and hummus for our son. We sit, he asks us how we're doing and then takes our order. At any point during our meal if we need anything I just raise my hand. The nearest server will run over and get whatever I need. Manaj has been practicing his English since we moved nearby and loves to practice it with us. You think being a server in America is hard? Try doing the exact same shit but having to serve people in 3 different languages. He learns jokes. They're really, really bad jokes and he butchers the punchline but it's still great. When we're done eating he takes our money and wishes us a good day.

I haven't tipped him a goddamn dime and it's damn near the best service I've ever gotten. I mean this scrappy fucker has driven to my house to deliver food I had forgotten when we ordered carry out and I had left our bread on the table.

The cost of food isn't ridiculous either. Costs us just shy of about 7 dollars US to feed my wife and myself and my son at a restaurant. Would cost about 4~5 dollars if we bought the stuff from a grocery store and made it ourselves.

I'll admit though the place isn't exactly glitzy. It's basically a porch with a gravel parking lot. Some nights they wheel out the projector and play movies on a big whitescreen. If you want a glitzy sit down place with smooth jazz playing and Filipino chicks in low cut blouses and high heels bending over at sinful angles you can go the Al Bustan or Pavo Realls and pay 40 bucks for your meal, sure.

Do you guys who tip your waitresses 20%+ also tip other service people such as your barber?

aychamo_aycono_sl said:

$1 per drink regardless of type of drink, unless bartender is cool. New place in town had this guy, was just fucking cool, looked like Luke Wilson in royal tenenbaums. We tipped him huge bc he was great.

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There's a bartender at your hair salon?

The Ancient_sl said:

What does that matter, you are still offering them compensatory wages to match up to the take home.

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What? I'm talking about labor costs for a restaurant. Right now a restaurant doesn't have to pay extra to keep servers on later.

Zehn - Vhex_sl said:

One of our favorite places to eat is the Turkish Star. It's about a 5 minute walk from where I live. When we show up, our favorite server Manaj will help me take the stroller out of the back of my car for my kid. He then gets us two cokes and some bread and hummus for our son. We sit, he asks us how we're doing and then takes our order. At any point during our meal if we need anything I just raise my hand. The nearest server will run over and get whatever I need. Manaj has been practicing his English since we moved nearby and loves to practice it with us. You think being a server in America is hard? Try doing the exact same shit but having to serve people in 3 different languages. He learns jokes. They're really, really bad jokes and he butchers the punchline but it's still great. When we're done eating he takes our money and wishes us a good day.

I haven't tipped him a goddamn dime and it's damn near the best service I've ever gotten. I mean this scrappy fucker has driven to my house to deliver food I had forgotten when we ordered carry out and I had left our bread on the table.

The cost of food isn't ridiculous either. Costs us just shy of about 7 dollars US to feed my wife and myself and my son at a restaurant. Would cost about 4~5 dollars if we bought the stuff from a grocery store and made it ourselves.

I'll admit though the place isn't exactly glitzy. It's basically a porch with a gravel parking lot. Some nights they wheel out the projector and play movies on a big whitescreen. If you want a glitzy sit down place with smooth jazz playing and Filipino chicks in low cut blouses and high heels bending over at sinful angles you can go the Al Bustan or Pavo Realls and pay 40 bucks for your meal, sure.

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Maybe you should write a book about this crown jewel of an establishment.

Genjiro_sl said:

Hostesses: Let's just call you mildly attractive whores who are too stupid to do your job. Yes, every one of them is a giant cunthole who will fuck anything. Our proprietor is married to the hostess he knocked up. They are also the dumbest fucking people on earth. They cannot figure out how not to do retarded shit like triple seating people (even the ones they like) when other people have open tables. Rocket surgery is required I guess. Nobody at our restaurant deserves less of a salary than them.

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Bitch, are you retarded? 9/10 times if you're getting triple seated with empty tables it's because that server has a *perfect* spot that everyone else wants to eat at. The small tables, with a booth on one side and a cozy chair on the other that only line the one side of the restaurant? Yea, every fucking lunch hour I'd try to parcel out the business and I'd get, "Hey, why can't we sit here?" You can't tell the customer, well we have this nice floor plan, and you are fucking shit up, because I just sat someone here.

3 tables with other servers being completely open speaks to it being a non busy lunch hour - figure that shit out. If the customers are being annoying about the seating plan, I would just snag a server and tell them to handle that table instead because they didn't want to sit in their area.

You servers can't do that yourselves? If you're really getting douched for tables, it's because you're a jackass and the hostess is hitting you in your pocketbook where it has the most effect.

And yea, there are a lot of restaurants where there's shit tons of fucking amongst servers, and because the hostesses tend to be attractive and do nothing but look pretty, it happens. But it didn't happen here, and it doesn't always happen. The hostess is the face people are greeted with as soon as they enter the restaurant. One who knows the business, knows the menu, can give them a description of what to expect, engage in conversation, be pleasant and also manage the parties, the seating charts, the bartender arrangements, the phone calls, the customer complaints (That come because a server was a jackass) etc etc, is a grand thing. They're not all whores, just like all servers aren't all entitled, insignificant fucks. (Like yourself.)

Genjiro_sl said:

Cooks: OH THE POOR COOKS. Fuck you. Yea, they work hard and 90% of them should be deported and are lucky to even have a job. You might have one of them who speaks passing english who you have to use as an interpreter and unlike many would have you believe in here.....well, they fuck things up all the time. Yea its usually servers who fuck up an order, but servers are doing far more at one time than each fucking cook at their own little station. I like ours though, and yea, most of them should get paid more.

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You know, I actually went to culinary school, and then busted ass in a fucking kitchen. Did you go to school to be a server? Was that your dream job? No, because no one wants to be a server and it takes no brain cells to do that shit.

Do you even know what goes on in a kitchen when it's busy? You have everyone at their stations, bringing shit up at the same time; I worked saute and I would have something like 15 fucking pans+ going at once during dinner. I would be praying to the baby jesus that someone ordered something that the god damn grill station could take care of because fuck my life. Servers have it hard? Yea, it's really difficult to punch some fucking buttons into a computer. At least you admit that most of the wrong shit is a server's fault, and not often the cooks. We have it in black and white what you punched in, and an expeditor to double check before it goes out. Your shit is wrong because you typed it in wrong son.

If you're in a fucking kitchen where it's just Jose and the three amigos and you have to tell them 12 times what oregano is, MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP WORKING AT DENNY'S.

God, there are so many misconceptions, or things that only exist in shitty restaurants in your post I just want to punch you in the face.

A server is any other job. Do it right, and you'll get paid for it. The people slaving away in the back don't get shit all for anything they do - after a few years I started making bank because I was the most senior person they had on saute, but that took awhile, and it also meant I was leaving the fucking restaurant at 1 am. Meanwhile, the servers are yawning into their hands at 10pm and being pissy because someone just walked through the door.

You are so fucking entitled, and you have NO IDEA what goes on in any other station of a restaurant. I spent 70k on my education, so i could learn flavor profiles, and cooking methods and techniques and hone a talent I knew I had, so that preachy motherfucking servers like yourself could whine because you got triple sat during a slow lunch hour and you retards think it's some god damn hard thing to just wait on tables in another area if you're really that hard up for it. Meanwhile, I'm going nuts in the back because some jackass got the order for steaks wrong thrice, and now I have to figure shit out otherwise we're going to be short for other orders because punching keys in a fucking computer is difficult.

Go.Fuck.Yourself. You are legitimately the type of server that makes all other servers look bad, the type I never gave tables to as a hostess, the type I had to yell at TO GET THE FUCKING ORDER RIGHT when I worked in the back, and the type I don't fucking tip when I go out to eat.

I hate you with the fiery intensity of a thousand suns.

I like your posts in other areas, but man. I hope this whole restaurant thing is going to pay your way as a fucking surgeon, where you don't have to talk to anyone because you sir, are not cut out for restaurant life.

Edit: Also, I made light of a server's duties - shit is fucking frenetic and frantic when it's busy, and there's a ton of shit you have to remember, and people you have to look after, and christ almighty, if your customer is too stupid to realize you are running your ass off you are going to get jack for tips. When it's slow, you get jack for tips.

But it's NOT different in any other areas. Slow night? Cooks get sent home. They get shit all. Even on a slow night, if you get one good tip you've probably made more than most line cooks that night anyways.

God I'm so wound up, I'm going to log on LOL with the succulent Morgana skin and destroy some people.

Trollface_sl said:

hey ladyvex. can i get that "rustled jimmies" to go?

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We're sitting at about a 150% on the rustled jimmies meter. I'm sorry, but when it's the All You Can Eat Buffet, you have to eat that shit in house.

Thanks for your compliance.

Definitely very rustled. I hated the industry; I went to school because I loved cooking, but found that I could not STAND working in a restaurant, no matter what part. And really, to succeed or be noteworthy you have to have some restaurants on your resume. It's a lot like the video gaming industry - there's a lot of networking. So when I wanted to be a personal chef, I knew my resume was going to have to be chocked full of restaurants that I'd been very successful at. But I got out quick.

You're undervalued, no one really understands just how much effort goes into it, etc, and it takes a lot out of you.

Gen has a point though, a lot of cooks did not go to school. And some of the ones that did went to the equivalent of itt tech for cooking. Not saying it isn't a rough job, but each one sucks in its own unique way.

Dis_sl said:

Gen has a point though, a lot of cooks did not go to school. And some of the ones that did went to the equivalent of itt tech for cooking. Not saying it isn't a rough job, but each one sucks in its own unique way.

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Oh absolutely, it was why I edited, because I also understand servers have it bad too.

But that sort of generalization annoys me. I worked my ass off, only to have others assume that's what was going on.

I mean he's not wrong about some things (Like the in house uh, trysts) but some of us were just legitimately trying to follow our dream. A nice bit of naivete to much sure but yea, fuck all of that.

If you're in a fucking kitchen where it's just Jose and the three amigos and you have to tell them 12 times what oregano is, MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP WORKING AT DENNY'S.

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"Jose and the three amigos" are the reality in the vast majority of restaurant kitchens in the USA. You tell Genjiro to stop speaking in generalities, but his view of things is far more realistic than what you described. He pretty much hit the nail on the head for every shitty, casual dining chain restaurant, which make up the bulk of restaurants. It would be nice to work in an upscale establishment with a real chef and cooks that can speak English but that isn't possible for most people.

Do cooks have it hard? Of course, no one said or even implied they have an easy job, but don't pretend that they're all struggling, aspiring chefs like you who are busting their asses and clawing their way to the top. Most of them are stupid pieces of shit, ex-cons, or can't speak a word of English. They don't give a shit if they let a steak cook too long. They slap that shit on the plate and let the server deal with it. Add onions to the "no onions please" saute dish? Fuck it, plate it and let the server deal with it. And what happens if you try to explain a problem to them? No comprendo, amigo!

Dis_sl said:

Gen has a point though, a lot of cooks did not go to school. And some of the ones that did went to the equivalent of itt tech for cooking. Not saying it isn't a rough job, but each one sucks in its own unique way.

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why should anyone bother with years of learning cook when the pay is shitty anyways and the hours still suck.

Especially when it's so easy to cook for most customers. Just drown it in fat and sugar.

Quineloe_sl said:

Do you guys who tip your waitresses 20%+ also tip other service people such as your barber?

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I cut my own hair at the moment (buzz), but absolutely assuming you have one that does a good job and you go to regularly. You don't wanna fuck around with someone who can make you look like an asshole for months at a time.

But essentially I only do it out of fear, not because they necessarily deserve it.