Soccer 2013-2014

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The clue is in the name "United Kingdom", as in more than one Kingdom/Country merged together. Like Westeros in Game of Thrones.
 
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Giggs being named permanent manager would be the best as he would all but guarantee the slide to mediocrity continues.
 
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Brando_sl said:
Giggs being named permanent manager would be the best as he would all but guarantee the slide to mediocrity continues.
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Not necessarily. It's rather like the same situation with Guardiola. He was Barcalona through and through and the club was struggling when he took over. When he was appointed manager, no one expected him to him to be as successful as he was and he didn't have managerial experience too but he knew the club inside out and took Barca to the next level based on this knowledge.

Guardiola might be the exception to the general managerial rule but there undeniably are similarities with Giggs there.
 
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I get that Giggseh is a legend for ManU, any similarities with Guardiola start and end right there. Do you know what Guardiola went through to get his coaching badges and become a youth coach at Barca? Somehow I doubt you'll see anything similar out of Giggs. There is a poster on RAWK, PhaseofPlay, that predicated what would happen to Moyes last August almost word for word and RedCafe posted and laughed about it at the time. He's a professional youth coach so he seems to have a pretty good idea and here's what he said on Giggs as well as Dim:

Doesn't matter what their respective playing achievements are. Neither of them are going to be great managers. Neither of them are obsessed with management, coaching and organisation. A lot of players have bought into the idea that they are all as good as Guardiola, I bet, and watched him looking dapper and knowledgeable on the touchline, and thought to themselves "I'll have a bit of that". But just like wearing collarless suits and singing falsetto harmonies didn't make thousands of bands in the 60's into the Beatles, being an ex-player with a league winners medal or ten isn't going to make any of them into great managers.

Ferguson was a union steward at a 19 years old, organising walk-outs when he felt his fellow workers weren't getting a fair deal. By the time he went to United he had 12 years management experience under his belt, and by the time he won his first league title at United, he'd been a manager for 18 years. He started at the bottom and worked his way to the top, like all of the great managers. Giggs and Sherwood and their ilk start at the top, and from there it's a steady fall to mediocrity.

Giggs and Sherwood and all of those like them, will have some initial success, but over a long season, they will see their inexperience in all aspects of coaching and management cause them to make questionable decisions.

To be a great manager/coach, you have to be obsessed with managing and coaching, just as you have to be obsessed with the ball if you want to be a great technical player. For people like Giggs, Sherwood, etc., they are not obsessed with managing and coaching. They are just at a loss as to what else they can do in life, so they go into management.
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As far as Kenny, he had Evans and Moran to continue the coaching. Who does Giggs have now? Phil Neville? LOLOLOLOLOL.
 
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Many good points but I don't agree on mentioning Sherwood and Giggs in the same breath

Sherwood is just... meh. Not exactly born and bred Tottenham. Even as a Spurs fan, I wasn't too impressed with his appointment and always expected it to be a stopgap until we get our next manager however the results were.

To make a fairer comparison, what would you think of Gerrard becoming your next manager when he eventually retires?
 
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From a player standpoint, you're correct in that Dim and Giggseh are miles apart in medal count. How are they even different though from a coaching standpoint?

As far as Stevie, depends on the situation. When you think about it Giggseh should have been made manager last year instead of Moyes as he could have been a figurehead while Meuelensteen, Phelan and the rest of the coaches kept the machine going and he grows into the role, similar to King Kenny. If Stevie takes over from Rodgers similar to how Kenny did then fine, he just has to keep it going. If it's like Moyes and Stevie hasn't done any work on managing his way up the ranks then no, I wouldn't be all happy to see that happen.
 
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I don't get why people are ragging on Pep for Bayern looking toothless. They lost 2 CL finals and didn't blow anybody away until Barca last year when Barca had all the possession. Yet somehow this is a new phenomenon?! Anyway, way better game to watch that that shit stain of a game yesterday with Chelski.

Mouinho, Ramires and his assistant charged by the FA today as well, just gets better and better.
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Neki_sl said:
Many good points but I don't agree on mentioning Sherwood and Giggs in the same breath

Sherwood is just... meh. Not exactly born and bred Tottenham. Even as a Spurs fan, I wasn't too impressed with his appointment and always expected it to be a stopgap until we get our next manager however the results were.

To make a fairer comparison, what would you think of Gerrard becoming your next manager when he eventually retires?
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A more interesting comparison might be Jamie Carragher. From all I've ready, people were surprised he went into media since they expected him to go into managing due to his long interest in it, generally great knowledge about foot and the fact he went out and completed his badges to qualify as a coach. I Actually think the move into media was good even if he's going into managing. Gives him a much wider perspective and more experience outside of the club, not to mention a little distance from his playing days. Whether he successful at it remains to be seen.
 
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He'd still have to start somewhere low on the rung which would probably pay nothing in comparison to what Sky is paying him. You see the same thing here with ex-NFLers, they all will choose punditry if they can as the pay vs. time commitment is way out of wack initially for coaching.
 
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4. And while I'm at it, how many countries are actually over there on those two islands? I was always thought it was 2: Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I only know that latter name because I was working with the British Navy a few years back and that's what I had to call them in a document I wrote.

Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, Sealand!
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Thanks for the answers. Sealand?? Never heard of it. Interesting read on Wikipedia.
 
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Sealand? Dafuq? I've shamefully lived in the UK for just about the whole of my life and today is the first time I've heard of it

/mindblown
 
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One of the best Hitlers I've seen :




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Scouse is just Liverpool and it's limited suburbs but it's pretty widespread there, they fucking moan constantly too. White trash in Manchester have a Mancunian accent which is equally weird but not annoying, I live and work here and don't hear it often other than the homeless. The towns inbetween have variations of the Lancashire accent so those city accents are in a very small geographical area.

When people say "The North" of England they mean the middle bit of England near the top of Wales, not the desolate wasteland leading up to Scotland with nothing but hills.
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I lived in Manchester for a few years when I worked for IBM. It's much worse than Liverpool. The original series of 'Shameless' which was remade in the US epitomises and was set in Manchester :

 
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Sealand? Dafuq? I've shamefully lived in the UK for just about the whole of my life and today is the first time I've heard of it

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Ahh Sealand, some of my best and funniest football memories of all time include Sealand.
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