Spectre (2015)

Araysar_sl said:

You think just because he mentions race, that automatically makes him racist. Either you're a white guy suffering from white guilt, or a black guy with a chip on his shoulder. Either way, you pretty much imagined those things.

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Go. Read. The. Books. He was a homophobic, misogynistic, womanizing semi-racist that was a product of his time.

For Your Eyes Only: In the short story that shares the title with the book Fleming said the Cubans killed the English couple by firing their machines with their monkey hands. Later he says the Cuban women look like monkeys in their dresses. In Hilderbrand Rarity he calls fish ******fish. Surely, he knew the correct term for them.
Thunderball: ******fish again. There's also a passage when Bond and Felix are enjoyin the drink that says, "The barman walked away with Negro dignity". What the hell is Negro dignity?
From Russia With Love: Typical Russian stereotypes. That they are cruel cold people.
You Only Live Twice: Japanese people are so submissive and they need the help of the great English secret agent.
Live and Let Die: Anybody who read this book knows what I mean. The black Americans talk like Jamaicans.
Felix Leiter: He is made to look like he's incompetent compared to Bond. It's an allegory to make America look incompetent to Britain (Fleming, like most Britons of his time, thought the British were a race, only divided into tribes like Scottish, Irish, English, Welsh).

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Now that is the definition of a Straw man.

Little late to the conversation, but regarding the earlier production budget discussion.. The thing those numbers don't often tell you, is how much was spent on marketing. The studios like to inflate the numbers to say how they didn't make anything on movies, but they do spend a fair amount.
I'd say they spent at least another 100 million on top of the 300m budget. They will say they spent 300m+ on marketing on their taxes, or when trying to avoid paying people based on the profits that the movie made.
So, when you look at it like that, yes the movie still made 400-600m, but that's still less then the 700m, and alot of other movies broke even/lost money, so they need the big movies like that to make a ton of profit. Plus, that total gross does not all go to the studio. Actors/directors/etc.. will get points (percentage) of the backend off the top, the movie theaters get a small percentage, etc.. But, by showing the public that big number (omg this movie grossed 1 billion! Why haven't YOU seen it??) it helps market the movie on it's own.
Ex: If the production budget for a film is 100m, and the film grosses 200m, they often say they lost money on that movie. To the average person that just sees those numbers, it sounds like bullshit, but it's generally very close to the truth.

tl:dr Those production to gross numbers are bullshit. Movies make less/more then those numbers show all the time. Skyfall did NOT profit 700m on ticket sales alone, guaranteed. Maybe 100-400m, but that's still a huge amount of money.

My white cis gendered shitlord guilt is making me want a fat, ftm tranny, dog kin as the next bond. I mean, it really wouldn't be a stretch.

Araysar_sl said:

Why not a black lesbian bond?

And MLK can be played by a white FtM tranny

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This actually sounds like a good idea.

Can Q be played by a Guatemalan hooker?

Who could we get to play Moneypenny?

Araysar_sl said:

Why not a black lesbian bond?

And MLK can be played by a white FtM tranny

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Luther could absolutely pull off being Bond without it constantly feeling like "Black Bond". Daniel Craig is a pretty good Bond, though, so forcing him out for the sake of having a black guy would be absolutely retarded

Araysar_sl said:

Elba as a Bond would be just as stupid as having Elba as Heimdall.

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So you're saying it would be perfectly fine and not detract from the movie at all?

I don't want Elba as Bond but this was a fucking stupid argument.

Except the Norse gods being white doesn't matter and isn't really integral to any of their stories, ESPECIALLY not the Marvel versions of the Norse gods. Bond being white is pretty much integral to the character.

Your argument is fucking stupid, and your knowledge of the Norse gods is probably limited to what you read in Dungeons and Dragons books.

One black Asgardian is no worse than Marvel having added a token asian to the cast when they created the warriors three.

Your dumb as fuck argument that 'WHAT IF THEY CAST ALL THE ASGARDIANS AS BLACK DUDES' is the only thing that needs to gtfo.

Araysar_sl said:

Lol, I like how you dodged the question entirely. 1 black norse god is ok but if they are all black... "whoa hold on there lets not be so rash!"

So you object to having all Asgardians including thor be black? You dont want to see a black thor, bro?

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Well we're about to have a female Thor, and we've had a black Captain America, so no, I really wouldn't give a shit if we had a black Thor.

And I didn't dodge your question at all. Keep trying troll.

Araysar_sl said:

if all norse gods were replaced with will smith, 50 cent, idris elba, jamie foxx and a handful of other black guys while Thor was played by Ice Cube?

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jooka_sl said:

I imagine for Daniel Craig this is his last or next to last bond movie. He's my favorite so far but it's not a role that lasts for anyone.

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He's already signed for 1 more after Spectre. I remember a few years back he signed for like 4 additional pictures, but maybe more. I think they're trying to make him the longest running Bond actor. However, Roger Moore has 7 films under his belt, so Criag would need to make 3 more after Spectre if that were true.