Star Trek: Discovery

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I was just bitching to my friend because I was happier when I was the only person who like DS9 and now the whole sci-fo community is having a love affair with it. It was mine first fuckers so BACK OFF!

But really, why suddenly is the show getting the attention it richly deserved about a decade ago?

"One of my favorite episodes is when Sisko sees himself as a columnist/story writer for a magazine. I have not had a chance to watch Babylon 5. I guess I will check that out next. I don't know if I could sit through the original though." Loved it both for the amazing story and because it was a naked episode (no alien makeup).
 

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The Borg were an awesome idea but I really wish they would have sat down in Season 2, nailed down all the basics of the Borg mythos rather than making it up as they go along and THEN start making Borg related episodes.

The Borg have had space travel for at least several centuries before the Federation (and presumably Klingons, Romulans, etc. since everyone seems to be on a similar technological level). Why aren't they far more advanced? If humans went from sending first human into space in 1961, developing warp travel in 2063 and zipping around the galaxy by 2360, why aren't the Borg even more advanced considering they are a technological race?

Why would the Borg send only 1 cube to conquer an entire civilization, a civilization that runs an organization that is major galactic power (Federation)?

- they are. Actually, they are so advanced they sent just one cube because it was more than enought to rape the federation. They would have success if they didnt managed to exploit that "sleep" hack thanks to data. The federation had no way to stop them

Why would they go straight for human civilization bypassing everyone else? They would have to go straight through the entire Romulan Empire just to get to the Federation, for example.

- in the episodes The Neutral Zone, both Romulans and Federation outposts were destroyed. It was later confirmed it was the borg cube

Why didn't the Federation just ram one of its ships into the cube at Wolf 359 instead of fighting it with phasers, torpedoes and losing 39 ships?

- because they thought they had a chance, and because they are not frigging kamikaze. cmon man

Why didnt the Borg try again to assimilate humans right after BOBW?

- because they are on the other side of the galaxy. even for them it's a long way home. And they did try again....in the movie First Contact. And even then they would have prevailed if it wasnt for picard orders. Also, if you wonder why they were coming to us even before meeting the enterprise for the first time, it was due to the signal sent by surviving borg in the 21th century. There is an episode in ST:Enterprise that close this timeloop

All this kind of stuff bugged me, as much as I enjoyed the Borg.
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- they are. Actually, they are so advanced they sent just one cube because it was more than enought to rape the federation. They would have success if they didnt managed to exploit that "sleep" hack thanks to data. The federation had no way to stop them
yeah they did. they could have rammed starships into it, used mass drivers, etc. you know why they really only sent 1 cube? because if they sent 2, it would make for a shitty episode.

- in the episodes The Neutral Zone, both Romulans and Federation outposts were destroyed. It was later confirmed it was the borg cube
how is it possible for borg cubes to destroy romulan outposts int the neutral zone considering they would have to cross the entire romulan empire undetected to reach them? and if thats the case, why arent they assimilating romulans within the empire already and instead just targeting an outpost here and there?

- because they thought they had a chance, and because they are not frigging kamikaze. cmon man
after 30 out of 40 ships get blown up with barely a scratch on the cube, its about time to start ramming ships, otherwise they are all dead anyways.

- because they are on the other side of the galaxy. even for them it's a long way home. And they did try again....in the movie First Contact. And even then they would have prevailed if it wasnt for picard orders. Also, if you wonder why they were coming to us even before meeting the enterprise for the first time, it was due to the signal sent by surviving borg in the 21th century. There is an episode in ST:Enterprise that close this timeloop
1 year before BOBW in Q Who, they get propelled 7,000 light years to meet a borg cube, that distance is less than 1/10th of the distance that voyager had to travel at maximum warp to reach earth in 75 years. so first of all, there are cubes that are already roaming this close to federation. secondly, they have transwarp conduit technology as shown in voyager, thats how voyager got back to earth so the distance is a non issue, that cube is not traveling at regular warp. i'm also familiar with the enterprise episode i think it was a stupid way to rationalize the plotline in first contact.

p.s. in qwho they said that it will take a bit over 2 years for enterprise to travel 7,000 light years. in voyager they say it will take 75 years to travel 70,000+ light years a distance that enterprise could theoretically traverse in a mere 14 years. more shitty writing.

basically, there are giant plot holes that you would have to do mental somersaults to rationalize and "explain". which brings me back to my original gripe that I wish that they really though this through and nailed down the basics instead of just winging it as they went along.
 

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The biggest plot hole issue I had with Trek came from something said in TNG and then Voyager crapping all over it.

In TNG Q said and admitted the reason the Q were facinated with Humanity was because at some point they would evolve past the Q.

Then in Voyager Tom Paris uses a warp engine that takes him to warp 10 and it ends up evolving him into some sord of 4 foot lizard that looks like a komodo dragon.

To this day it's my single biggest annoyance with Voyager...on a long list of course.
 

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The biggest plot hole issue I had with Trek came from something said in TNG and then Voyager crapping all over it.

In TNG Q said and admitted the reason the Q were facinated with Humanity was because at some point they would evolve past the Q.

Then in Voyager Tom Paris uses a warp engine that takes him to warp 10 and it ends up evolving him into some sord of 4 foot lizard that looks like a komodo dragon.

To this day it's my single biggest annoyance with Voyager...on a long list of course.
Komodo dragons > Q. It's just that simple.
 

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some of the techno babble can be easily winged - when they are talking about tachyons, neutrinos, etc - you can fool 99% of the people out there.

but when it's something patently obvious like speed and geography, it was annoying as hell, it completely ruined the immersion. i wish they really drew up an accurate map that was as detailed as the one below (not saying its accurate though) and then based the series on that

star-trek-map.jpe
 

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Call me old school, but taking into context the time period each series was created, the original series is by far the best. Looking past the obviously shitty special effects, you have themes-- moral, gender, and racial that were ground breaking for the time. Mirror Mirror, Balance of Terror.. The list goes on. Each episode was truly about exploration..

Conversely, I'm probably the only one that thinks TNG was the cheesiest series of them all-- striving so hard to be politically correct. The geriatric captain, the blind black guy, the female bridge psychologist, and the android that wants to be human. Can you get any gayer? Every time it was a holodeck episode, or data finding his emotions, or *rage* a Sherlock Holmes episode I swear I wanted to scream. Half the episodes had almost zero action and felt like a freaking space opera. And Picard was a pussy. At least Kirk, Sisko, and Archer wouldn't sit there getting their ship shot to shit while pleading for negotiations. Kirk was fire phasers, bang the alien princess, then warp fucking 9 out of there before the wet spot even had a chance to dry. Now that's a captain.

If I had to rate them in order:

The Original Series
DS9- Dominion wars onward
Enterprise- FU, I liked it. Lots of action and T'pol made my 'nads ache. Did feel the intro song sounded totally out of place.
Voyager- Felt like true exploration again. The doctor was the best Star Trek character ever created and 7 of 9 was excellent and allowed for some great stories. Would be 2nd place if not for fucking Janeway.
The Gay Generation: Boring, hokey. Please someone stuff a sock in Troi's mouth and tell Data to stop trying to rip off the Wizard of Oz. Saved only by the fact that Patrick Stewart could actually act
DS9- pre Dominion wars- snooore. General Hospital in space
 

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lol yeah, troi was awful. who thought it would be a good idea to have a "counselor" on the bridge? where did they think they were gonna go with her storylines?
 

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One of the worst TNG episodes is when a treehugger somehow got an episode about warp speed limits through to production because it was harming the space environment. I think it was referred to for maybe 2-3 more episodes before it was quietly dropped and they pretended it never happened.
 

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Oh yeah, that one was horrible, 2nd only maybe to the one where Data rescues those cyber probes because they're "sentient life". So lame. Also, the Gangster holo-deck episode, and any episode where you had to bear Wesley for more than 2 minutes.

One of the worst TNG episodes is when a treehugger somehow got an episode about warp speed limits through to production because it was harming the space environment. I think it was referred to for maybe 2-3 more episodes before it was quietly dropped and they pretended it never happened.
 

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yeah, watching TNG 20 years later, some of the PC stuff from early 90s is pretty amusing.

data having sex with yar is one of the most ridiculous moments in the series. i give that one 4 facepalms.
 
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The biggest plot hole issue I had with Trek came from something said in TNG and then Voyager crapping all over it.

In TNG Q said and admitted the reason the Q were facinated with Humanity was because at some point they would evolve past the Q.

Then in Voyager Tom Paris uses a warp engine that takes him to warp 10 and it ends up evolving him into some sord of 4 foot lizard that looks like a komodo dragon.

To this day it's my single biggest annoyance with Voyager...on a long list of course.
That is widely considered to be one of (if not) the shittiest episodes of any star trek series.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Thre...nd_Information
 

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they had a couple gangster episodes, one with Picard as Dixon something, P.I.
and another was The Royale where they are stuck in an earth casino on a different planet.

most holodeck episodes were pretty groan-inducing, it was a pretty transparent attempt to take star trek characters and stick them into an environment that we could relate to cause clearly there isn't enough exciting shit going on in the entire galaxy in 24th century.
 

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Yeah, the holodeck was the biggest goddamn writer's crutch ever. Very cool conceptually, but also super cheap.
I did enjoy the Nth degree episode where barclay uses it to augment his intelligence

but most of the time it was faggotry like professor moriarty or leonardo da vinci
 

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ReceptionEdit
This episode achieved a Nielsen rating of 6.2 million homes, and a 9% share. [6] It was the third most watched episode of Voyager's second season (on first airing).
Despite this, the episode proved to be highly unpopular among viewers. Shortly after the installment first aired, Jeri Taylor remarked, "We're taking a lot of flak for that. There's been a real lashing out. I recognize that people who are on the Internet and who write us letters are a tiny portion of our audience, but when it is as overwhelming as it was on this episode, you begin to take notice." (Captains' Logs Supplemental - The Unauthorized Guide to the New Trek Voyages)
In 2003, seven years after having written the installment, Brannon Braga said, "It's a terrible episode. People are very unforgiving about that episode. I've written well over a hundred episodes of Star Trek, yet it seems to be the only episode anyone brings up, you know? 'Brannon Braga, who wrote 'Threshold'!' Out of a hundred and some episodes, you're gonna have some stinkers! Unfortunately, that was a royal, steaming stinker." (VOY Season 2 DVD "easter egg")
At the 2009 New Jersey Star Trek convention, Kate Mulgrew remarked to the audience that "Threshold" was the episode of Star Trek: Voyager she was most uncomfortable with, noting that she didn't like the thought of mating with Paris as a lizard. [7]
This episode was also a failure to critics, frequently being voted as the worst ever episode of Star Trek: Voyager and even the worst episode of Star Trek in general. (Delta Quadrant, p. 97)
Cinefantastique rated this episode 1 out of 4 stars. (Cinefantastique, Vol. 28, No. 4/5, p. 92)
Star Trek Monthly also scored this episode 1 out of 5 stars, defined as "Total gagh!". (Star Trek Monthly issue 15, p. 60)
The unauthorized reference book Delta Quadrant (p. 97) gives this installment a rating of 4 out of 10.
The book Star Trek 101, by Terry J. Erdmann and Paula M. Block, cites this episode as the Star Trek: Voyager winner of the "Spock's Brain" Award and states that, of the entire Voyager series, this installment is the one "most likely to give Darwin a migraine."
Indeed, from the earliest response to this episode up to the present day, the episode has repeatedly been accused of being scientifically flawed. Robert Duncan McNeill noted, "Some of the fans sort of questioned the science of it." (Star Trek Monthly issue 37, p. 44) In the interview that Jeri Taylor gave shortly after the episode's first broadcast, she said of the negative initial response to the episode, "Some of this anger was misplaced, I thought. A lot of the ire seemed to be caused by the fact that we stated no one had ever gone warp ten before, and people flooded us with letters saying, 'That's not true, in the original series they went warp twelve and warp thirteen.' We should have had a crawl before the episode explaining all this, but it really was a recalibration of warp speed." Of the depiction of Human de-evolution, Taylor commented, "It is not one that took with the audience. The fact that we were turning people into salamanders was offensive to a lot of people and just stupid to others." (Captains' Logs Supplemental - The Unauthorized Guide to the New Trek Voyages)
In Rick Sternbach's on-line newsgroup (posted on 17 March 1999), Sternbach referred to this installment as "the silly Warp 10 episode" and offered a highly technical reinterpretation of the episode's events. [8]
Despite its lack of popularity, this episode of Star Trek: Voyager was one of only a few that were commemorated by Playmates Toys, with the launch of an episode-specific Voyager action figure release. In this case, the release was an action figure of the episode's hyper-evolved Tom Paris, complete with a phaser and his three mutant offspring.
Furthermore, the episode won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Makeup for a Series; Robert Duncan McNeill noted that putting on his makeup here "helped them win an Emmy." (The Official Star Trek: Voyager Magazine, issue #11) This episode beat out DS9: "The Visitor", which was nominated in the same category.
During the fourth season of Star Trek: Voyager, Robert Duncan McNeill hoped for more opportunities where, like in this installment, he could expand his range as an actor. "I'd actually like to do more of that kind of thing; I'd like to see Paris have some really wild experiences in the future." (Star Trek Monthly issue 37, p. 44)









i'm gonna get you that action figure, tarrant.