Star Trek: Discovery
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Tarrant
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You could do it in that amount of time, i ended up doing an episode a day on my lunch. and then a few on weekends sometimes. You have 20-24 episode seasons I think...depending on how much you watch I guess a month seems reasonable.
When I rewatched Voyager I started when Kess died and 7 joins,(Season 4) it wasn't so bad going that route. I still say Voyagers biggest problem was in a 45 minute episode they had a good show going for 38 minutes and realized they were running out of time and would just fucking end it quickly and poorly. Best Episode of Voyager imo was Season 6, Episode 12; Blink of an Eye. It's actually really good even by Trek standards, not just Voyager standards.
Lithose
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Easily one of my favorite scenes in all of Trek. I love how they make the Federation out to be almost like a Super-Good-Guy Borg.
spronk
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who was the WORST star trek character (more than 1 episode)? The nominees I can think of are:
Neelix, the pedochef
Deanna Troi, aka "captain, I sense anger"
Catherine "how did you become a captain" Janeway
Pulaski
Luxanna "Space Cougar" Troi
I hesitate to push Wesley in there because, well, I like Wesley
Funnily enough I can't really think of a terrible character in DS9, TOS, or Enterprise?
Neelix, the pedochef
Deanna Troi, aka "captain, I sense anger"
Catherine "how did you become a captain" Janeway
Pulaski
Luxanna "Space Cougar" Troi
I hesitate to push Wesley in there because, well, I like Wesley
Funnily enough I can't really think of a terrible character in DS9, TOS, or Enterprise?
Shonuff
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It does feel like work. I keep telling my wife it's going to get better when we get to DS9. She didn't watch the awesomesauce that was the Dominion War. But I'm committed to watching every Star Trek ep ever made at least once more. I'll get back to you guys in 2014.
Voyager is too formulaic, and it doesn't help that every story needs to be resolved in one ep.
Shonuff
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They are going to crucify you, dude.I hesitate to push Wesley in there because, well, I like Wesley
On Enterprise, I always thought Travis Mayweather was kind of a wasted character. They never really did much with him, which was a shame. I always got the same feel about Harry Kim on Voyager. They weren't bad characters, just not fleshed out well.
I never had much of a problem with Dr Pulaski, although I always thought she was kind of "racist" or something about Data, right? Am I remembering that right?
Now, onto bad characters:
I always thought Tasha Yar was too butch and aggresive. I think her aggresiveness was too over played. I did like Denise Crosby as Sela though.
Kai Wynn on DS9 always annoyed me, because she was such an evil bitch, but I think that was on purpose.
Captain Janeway annoyed me a lot, because of the way she would always come up with the solutions herself, and then dictate them to her crew. She told her science officers how to do their job too much, even though she came from a science background. Was just always annoying to me.
I never had much of a problem with Dr Pulaski, although I always thought she was kind of "racist" or something about Data, right? Am I remembering that right?
Now, onto bad characters:
I always thought Tasha Yar was too butch and aggresive. I think her aggresiveness was too over played. I did like Denise Crosby as Sela though.
Kai Wynn on DS9 always annoyed me, because she was such an evil bitch, but I think that was on purpose.
Captain Janeway annoyed me a lot, because of the way she would always come up with the solutions herself, and then dictate them to her crew. She told her science officers how to do their job too much, even though she came from a science background. Was just always annoying to me.
Gavinmad
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Ds9 worst character is an easy one, Vic Fontaine. Dear fucking god, it's almost like Roddenberry's ghost had infected the writers and they tried to occasionally heal the crews divisions through song and dance. It was especially bad he was introduced during the Dominion War arc, they did a decent hearts and minds story during wartime with the Vulcan Baseball game so they had no need to keep going back to that shit.
Tarrant
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Holy crap are you kidding me? Vic was awesome.
Seriously, I loved Vic episodes for the most part and was a huge fan of the one where he helps Nog after he lost his leg.
As far as worst characters...I would have to say it was Ceska from Voyager. The whole arc with her was really bad and I always got super annoyed every time she came back for some stupid reason.
Frenzied Wombat
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It's without a doubt absolutely Wesley Crusher, I mean come on it's not even debatable. Overly friendly and helpful, endlessly cheery, made a Starfleet Education look trivial by virtue of all his "save the starship episodes". He was just gayness personified.
You know what, it's not simply that he was terrible both in terms of acting and character. It was the fact that he alone diminished my ability to take anything that occurred on that show seriously. What was to me (based on TOS) a mission of space exploration manned by a serious and qualified crew with a modicum of military protocol, was now degraded to a flying ship of learning-- replete with children's nursery, a teenage kid manning the helm, and some chick shrink trying to keep Picard sensitive. While most of those one was only occasionally reminded of and could almost forget based on their frequency, nothing constantly rubbed "this is gay and shits on Kirk's legacy" in my face as much as seeing Wesley Crusher each episode.
You know what, it's not simply that he was terrible both in terms of acting and character. It was the fact that he alone diminished my ability to take anything that occurred on that show seriously. What was to me (based on TOS) a mission of space exploration manned by a serious and qualified crew with a modicum of military protocol, was now degraded to a flying ship of learning-- replete with children's nursery, a teenage kid manning the helm, and some chick shrink trying to keep Picard sensitive. While most of those one was only occasionally reminded of and could almost forget based on their frequency, nothing constantly rubbed "this is gay and shits on Kirk's legacy" in my face as much as seeing Wesley Crusher each episode.
Loser Araysar
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Vic Fontaine was undoubtedly the worst by far.
Speaking of sports, i wish at one point they actually fleshed out what Parisi Squares were or Dom-jot and made the rules, etc. I wouldnt mind trying either of those games.
TNG Season 8: Worf unwillingly participates in his niece's coming-of-age human hunt. Riker has misplaced his chest comb and it's getting bad.
iannis
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YOU TAKE THAT BACK. YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW. ROUND AND PLEASANT DAX WAS ROUND AND PLEASANT.
You gotta respect her for not burnin that coal. Ezri was a dax of principle. She fucked a french guy I guess, but she was Canadian so she's like half french herself anyway. I'm not really sure if that's as bad as when white people do it. You'd have to ask Eomer.
iannis
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Ezri dax was bad I'll admit. At least she was cute.
For a serious nomination i'm gonna go with pretty much the entire cast of Voyager with the exceptions of The Doctor and 7 of 9. 7 gets a pass for the same reason Ezri does and The Doctor gets a pass because half of his scenes involved him mocking one of the other awful, awful, crewmates. It's funny because he was saying what we all were thinking!
For a serious nomination i'm gonna go with pretty much the entire cast of Voyager with the exceptions of The Doctor and 7 of 9. 7 gets a pass for the same reason Ezri does and The Doctor gets a pass because half of his scenes involved him mocking one of the other awful, awful, crewmates. It's funny because he was saying what we all were thinking!
Tarrant
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Bah, you're both on crack.
I thought there was something on Dom-jot but I guess not. A friend of mine has a Tongo Wheel that is an exact replica of the one from Quarks, he has strips and slips of latinum that you buy like they are chips. It's a pretty fun game but like they say int he show, it really does take a long time to master it.
The worst character in all of Trek is clearly Diana Troi.
She was only on the Enterprise because of who her mother was and who she banged, she was clearly useless otherwise. Wesley was more capable of commanding the bridge at any given point in the series than she ever was. Her mother was clearly disappointed in her throughout the show and was really upset that she didn't marry Riker because her only real value was as a trophy wife. Riker clearly joined Starfleet because of an admiration of how many aliens Kirk nailed and kept Troi around as a Friday night backup plan.
Vic Fontaine was a fantastic character who was central to some of the best late series episodes. It helps that he was a fantastic singer, Star Trek has always had some of the somewhat secretly most otherwise talented actors I have ever seen but they only get to showcase that talent rarely. In this way TNG was not unlike a very subtle variety show. Vic was the only one who got to showcase his singing talent in every episode and it was because of DS9, Fallout and Bioshock that I began to appreciate music of the pre-woodstock era.
Wesley Crusher is what I call the "and a kid" factor that gets tacked on to some sequels and the "and a kid factor" usually makes the whole thing unbearable (blues brothers 2000). The audience is not supposed to like Wesley, he is there to irritate Picard who is being forced into a parental relationship because the boy sees him as a father figure as Picard was his fathers best friend. The relationships set up between Picard, Beverly and Wesley was intended to be complex but i think it fell apart because the audience never was given a reason to give a shit about Jack. He was a side note, he died off screen before the story began. I believe that if Jack was Captain of another ship that did not allow for family as the Enterprise did and it was destroyed say at Wolf 359, that would have given the story that screwed up Macross factor they were aiming for and Wesley would have had to display a little more range of emotion than wunderkind Wesley does and it might have made Beverly a little more likable as well.
I think Wesley did achieve a portion of why they wanted a kid on the show and on the bridge, it was to bring in a young audience and that would be in line with hiring LeVar Burton as he was on Reading Rainbow at the time which gave kids a person they already knew to on an "grownup" show. Wesley was there for children to identify with and they needed a reason for him to pilot the ship so they turned him into the ideal Regan youth.
She was only on the Enterprise because of who her mother was and who she banged, she was clearly useless otherwise. Wesley was more capable of commanding the bridge at any given point in the series than she ever was. Her mother was clearly disappointed in her throughout the show and was really upset that she didn't marry Riker because her only real value was as a trophy wife. Riker clearly joined Starfleet because of an admiration of how many aliens Kirk nailed and kept Troi around as a Friday night backup plan.
Vic Fontaine was a fantastic character who was central to some of the best late series episodes. It helps that he was a fantastic singer, Star Trek has always had some of the somewhat secretly most otherwise talented actors I have ever seen but they only get to showcase that talent rarely. In this way TNG was not unlike a very subtle variety show. Vic was the only one who got to showcase his singing talent in every episode and it was because of DS9, Fallout and Bioshock that I began to appreciate music of the pre-woodstock era.
Wesley Crusher is what I call the "and a kid" factor that gets tacked on to some sequels and the "and a kid factor" usually makes the whole thing unbearable (blues brothers 2000). The audience is not supposed to like Wesley, he is there to irritate Picard who is being forced into a parental relationship because the boy sees him as a father figure as Picard was his fathers best friend. The relationships set up between Picard, Beverly and Wesley was intended to be complex but i think it fell apart because the audience never was given a reason to give a shit about Jack. He was a side note, he died off screen before the story began. I believe that if Jack was Captain of another ship that did not allow for family as the Enterprise did and it was destroyed say at Wolf 359, that would have given the story that screwed up Macross factor they were aiming for and Wesley would have had to display a little more range of emotion than wunderkind Wesley does and it might have made Beverly a little more likable as well.
I think Wesley did achieve a portion of why they wanted a kid on the show and on the bridge, it was to bring in a young audience and that would be in line with hiring LeVar Burton as he was on Reading Rainbow at the time which gave kids a person they already knew to on an "grownup" show. Wesley was there for children to identify with and they needed a reason for him to pilot the ship so they turned him into the ideal Regan youth.
Yeah, I can agree with Troi being a bad character. I certainly don't see how the ship's councelor has any business being a bridge officer. I can see there being a need for a ship's councelor onboard, but lets put his or her office down near sickbay or something. And her character wasn't used for much besides love interest fodder. I can see her level of telepathy being useful, but it would have been better if attached to a better character.